Markk wrote:Or you can try to deal with EAllusion's/Doc's and mine ongoing conversation on this topic Kish. EAllusion insists my argument of experience, is of non factor, and his argument of selected links are fact. He even goes so far as to ask me questions like why would we hire an illegal or green card immigrant without a resume and references...which proves my point he does not understand what the market demands or who these folks are. There are reasons why I asked the question I did...I am comparing the work market in around the 10th largest economy in the world, with millions of illegal and green card immigrants, with his experience in Mayberry. There is a difference a huge difference. I work with these immigrants everyday...I have a pretty good general understanding of their lifestyles here and what they will work for. Is this really off the table?
You are so full of Sh$%. I also live in southern California and my take home pay has gone up dramatically over the last 10-15 years and the value of my ownership in the companies I run has gone through the roof, therefore illegal immigration positively affects wages and the value of the things I own (see what I did there?). My experience is exactly the opposite of yours living in the "10th largest economy in the world" - as if that somehow adds credibility to your nonsense - therefore you are wrong and immigration is good for wages, because "data". See, I can also incorrectly use anecdotal experiences to make fallacious arguments. Remind me again, where else have you lived outside LA? What other countries have you visited and worked in? I mean, you are telling us that we need to take your vast experience into account while ignoring all those faulty "studies" referenced by people who have no "real world" experience. I work across a number of different industries, all are doing great in Socal and across the US - do you also credit immigrants for the constant stream of successful businesses starting up in California or do you only blame them for the few industries that are experiencing decreasing wages?
Like all major metropolitan areas, LA has sh%$hole neighborhoods and it sounds like you have chosen to live in one and you choose to spend your time bitching about it rather trying to move or improve it. Its sad to watch people like you lash out at immigrants as the root of your problems rather than looking at the choices you have made in life. I love where I live and the immigrants in my area add dramatically to the culture and diversity of the cities I live and work in. If you work a job in which you compete with non to semi english speaking somewhat skilled to unskilled laborers, maybe you are doing it wrong. If your wages are affected negatively by unskilled illegal immigrants then maybe you should try to expand you skill set or move someplace a little less diverse (I'm sure ajax and his aryan fellowship would welcome another white brother to wva with open arms) because, you know, free market and all that....or are you saying that the government owes you a certain wage and that capitalism is not the best system for regulating how people should be paid?
Your experience has exactly 0 relevance to the argument you are trying to make. Your myopic views of the effects that immigrants have on wages in general and outside the tiny little world you reside and work in are laughable and your inability to grasp even basic economic principles or understand the studies presented just shows how out of your depth you are. Half my neighbors are immigrants - hard workers, home owners and willing to do whatever it takes to pay their bills and support their families. Guess what, not all immigrants are the same, not all neighborhoods resemble the the neighborhood you have chosen to live and/or work in and very few industries resemble the ONE industry you have experience in. Im sure immigration affects different places in different ways - both positively and negatively and your views are about as shallow as I have seen on the subject. That said, you might want to brush up on basic economics and gain at least a remedial understanding of what constitutes statistical significance.