FBI raid Michael Cohen's office

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FBI raid Michael Cohen's office

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The FBI raided the office of President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen on Monday.

The New York Times reports that investigators are examining records related to a payment Cohen made to adult film star Stormy Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford, in addition to other unspecified topics.
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Apparently, Mueller referred the case to a New York prosecutor.

ETA: Mueller referred to Rosenstein, who referred to a Federal Prosecutor in NY.
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Trump just made some interesting comments regarding this at his Syria presser. The clip should be everywhere shortly.
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The prosecutor must have had something pretty impressive. It's not easy to convince a judge to let you seize attorney-client materials.
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MissTish wrote:Trump just made some interesting comments regarding this at his Syria presser. The clip should be everywhere shortly.


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Res Ipsa wrote:Apparently, Mueller referred the case to a New York prosecutor.

ETA: Mueller referred to Rosenstein, who referred to a Federal Prosecutor in NY.


In a nice bit of irony, the Federal Prosecutor is Geoffrey Berman, appointed by the Trump administration upon their firing of Preet Bharara.
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MissTish wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Apparently, Mueller referred the case to a New York prosecutor.

ETA: Mueller referred to Rosenstein, who referred to a Federal Prosecutor in New York.


In a nice bit of irony, the Federal Prosecutor is Geoffrey Berman, appointed by the Trump administration upon their firing of Preet Bharara.


Yeah, the score so far: republican special prosecutor referred evidence of a crime to republican FBI director who assigned the investigation to a Trump-apppointed republican prosecutor.

Yep, this is exactly what an attack on America looks like. :rolleyes:
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Without knowing what investigators found, the ultimate importance of the raid is unknown, but I can't think of an instance where the President's personal lawyer had virtually every place he worked served with a search warrant. This is unprecedented.

Michael Cohen reminds me a little bit of Michael Clayton, a movie where George Clooney plays a corporate 'fixer' lawyer, the guy that makes all of the problems for wealthy clients go away. He starts to have something of an epiphany that it doesn't matter if you drive an S-Class Mercedes, you're still just a bag man, which means you can sometimes be a loose end. I imagine that's how Cohen is feeling right now.

It's also important to note that the search warrant did not come from Mueller. Mueller forwarded the information to the DOJ. My understanding is that this was referred to the Southern District of New York. Rob Rosenstein evidently decided that the information did not fall under the mandate of Mueller's investigation, and made the referral.

So in the course of his investigations, it is possible that Mueller came across information of a potential crime that Michael Cohen may have committed that are not apart of his investigation. He still has an obligation to inform DOJ, which makes the determination as to which office should receive the information.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Yeah, the score so far: republican special prosecutor referred evidence of a crime to republican FBI director who assigned the investigation to a Trump-apppointed republican prosecutor.

Sounds like a massive Democratic conspiracy to me!

If I were a Democrat and wanted to start a conspiracy against the president, I would certainly get a bunch of Republicans to execute it. That's just genius!

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Seriously, just how dumb is this guy? You have to be pretty stupid to assume people are this stupid (and I do realize some people are this stupid... Drumpf does have a loyal base, after all - I just don't assume everyone is that stupid). For the sake of my sanity, I like to believe he only expects his base to believe his BS, but I suspect that's wishful thinking.
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