Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Why didn't the guys just buy a damn ing cup of coffee?
- Doc
I haven't seen that question answered in any of the reports.
They were waiting on the other guy. Maybe they planned to order then or the other guy would order while they met up, or they never planned to order anything at all.
The reports I've read said there were other Caucasian folks loitering there without ordering anything. Why didn't they order something, too?
Why weren't they arrested?
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I dunno. You don't think a couple of "real estate brokers" waiting to do business can afford a cup of coffee?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Well all I know is that I've done this precise thing many times and was never once approached by cops or ever looked at with suspicion. Starbucks is typically a very busy place, so busy in fact that an employee would have to try very hard to pay attention to who has and who hasn't paid for a coffee or whatever. I used to work next to a Starbucks back in 2005 and I'd always go there and hang out, use the wifi and sometimes I'd order a banana nut muffin. Starbucks near my home have seating outside where people would just hang, with or without coffee. The manager was dumb for singling these guys out like this. We know they weren't lying about waiting for a friend because the guy eventually showed up while they were being arrested.
ajax is just upset because he wants things the way they used to be.
Something else must have happened to lead to the police being called. If they had told the manager "Yeah, we're waiting to meet someone. He should be here in a few minutes...", what rational person would call the police on them?
If the men politely explained the situation and the manager still called police, then that manager should be fired for incompetence (and yes, I would suspect racism).
Do we have the manager's (and policeman's) side of the story? I don't fault the policemen because at the point they're called, their job is to get the men to leave. It's Starbuck's call whether or not they can stay, not the policemen's.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Why didn't the guys just buy a damn ing cup of coffee?
- Doc
Maybe the guy they were waiting for was the one who issued the invitation, and they felt they should wait for him. We do the same thing these guys did pretty often at Starbucks here and it has never been a problem.
I also thought that the incident with the bathroom code was at a different Starbucks in CA. In that case I can see why you wouldn't order first, every time I have to use the restroom at a fast food establishment I always use the restroom first and then get food. I'm not going to take my food in the restroom or leave it unattended on a table.
cinepro wrote:Something else must have happened to lead to the police being called. If they had told the manager "Yeah, we're waiting to meet someone. He should be here in a few minutes...", what rational person would call the police on them?
If the men politely explained the situation and the manager still called police, then that manager should be fired for incompetence (and yes, I would suspect racism).
Do we have the manager's (and policeman's) side of the story? I don't fault the policemen because at the point they're called, their job is to get the men to leave. It's Starbuck's call whether or not they can stay, not the policemen's.
If they had been there for hours of even an hour, I could see a manager approaching them to see if they needed anything. But they were there for fewer than 15 minutes and their friend showed up. The video shows white people outraged because, as they said, "they had done nothing wrong." One even asked the cops if it is because they're two black guys. Had they punched a cop or resisted arrest, that would be one thing, but the video clearly shows them being extremely calm and cooperative. All they did "wrong" was ask why they were being ordered to leave. Trump's America is really trying to bring things back to the "good ole days."
I’m still having trouble wrapping my brain around the notion that Starbucks is leftist.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I dunno. You don't think a couple of "real estate brokers" waiting to do business can afford a cup of coffee?
- Doc
I'm sure they probably could. Do you think the buying policy should have to be enforced equally?
I have no idea how the policy was enforced other than what's reported. What I do know is the two men asked to use the restroom, they were told it's for paying customers, they refused to purchase coffee, they were asked to leave, they refused, they were trespassing, and the cops were called.
Buy a cup of coffee and there are no issues. I don't get the black-guy-apologists on this issue.
- Doc
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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Res Ipsa wrote:I’m still having trouble wrapping my brain around the notion that Starbucks is leftist.
It's totally leftist. You should check out their policies, charitable endeavors, and various statements over its history. That said, this should point out that even among leftists you see its ranks full of crypto-racists.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
