BYU Police Report Bombshells

[_consiglieri]

For your consideration.

The new Radio Free Mormon podcast covers some of the things the LDS Church doesn't want you to know are in the BYU Police reports.

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... al-update/

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Tuna_Surprise]

Top-notch work! I hope you continue to push the BYU police to disclose the relevant records. You made a great point which is bigger than just this scandal - the BYU police department is a shadow police force that answers to a private entity (the church) rather than to the public at large.

Do we really want crimes investigated by private police forces? What does this mean for victims who are accusing the church? What does this mean for victims that are no longer members in good standing?

[_consiglieri]

Thanks so much!

It looks like some from this board are carrying the fight over to the MDDB board and causing a lot of controversy.

It is fun to watch the stalwarts try to defend against the mounting evidence of a church-orchestrated cover-up.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/704 ... c/?page=19

[_consiglieri]

Provoman seems to want to make a point about the podcast description differing from the podcast content.

The description being more affirmative that the church is covering things up versus the podcast that is tentative in such conclusions.

The fact is that I don't write the description--Bill Reel does that.

(If I were not banned over there, I could simply explain it with one comment.)

Regardless, it seems Provoman is trying to derail the issue and distract attention from the likely church cover-up.

No idea what he would want to do that . . .

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_consiglieri]

One last note has to do with the Thomas Monson interview with McKenna Denson.

To the best of my knowledge, McKenna Denson does not allege the subject of Joseph Bishop was discussed during her approximately half-hour interview with Thomas S. Monson at the Church Office Building in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.

I still do not know why an apostle would meet with a sister missionary in his office about going back on her mission.

Some have suggested this was de reguere back in 1984. I honestly cannot say with authority whether that is true. It does seem odd to me, though.

And the fact McKenna makes no such allegation regarding any disclosures about Joseph Bishop either by herself or by Thomas Monson during this half-hour meeting makes me tend to find her more credible.

McKenna has a blank slate on which to write here. She could say she said anything to Thomas Monson. She could say he said anything back to her.

And yet she does not.

Again, this appears to be an honest person telling a true story.

And I think the credibility she gains on the meeting with Thomas Monson transfers over to her meeting with Carlos Asay.

[_Madison54]

Provoman seems to want to make a point about the podcast description differing from the podcast content.

The description being more affirmative that the church is covering things up versus the podcast that is tentative in such conclusions.

The fact is that I don't write the description--Bill Reel does that.

(If I were not banned over there, I could simply explain it with one comment.)

Regardless, it seems Provoman is trying to derail the issue and distract attention from the likely church cover-up.

No idea what he would want to do that . . .

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Heh. Provoman has gone off the rails over there

You know it's bad when even the active over there are telling him to stop. Do you have some kind of history with that guy or something?

[_consiglieri]

I don't even know who Provoman is.

Of course, it has been years since I was banned over there, and people sometimes change their usernames.

But he does seem a bit agitated at yours truly, doesn't he?

[_consiglieri]

For your consideration.

The new Radio Free Mormon podcast covers some of the things the LDS Church doesn't want you to know are in the BYU Police reports.

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... al-update/

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Oh! Now I see what Provoman is complaining about over at MDDB.

He did a screen grab of my opening post from this morning, and that helped me see his point.

His point is that I introduce the subject here with the statement, "The new Radio Free Mormon podcast covers some of the things the LDS Church doesn't want you to know are in the BYU Police reports."

But in the actual podcast, I am more tentative in my conclusions.

I guess he has a point.

I will now formally rephrase the introductory sentence to the link to my podcast on this board as follows: "The new Radio Free Mormon podcast covers some of the things the LDS Church (apparently) doesn't want you to know are in the BYU Police reports."

Fixed it!

Now perhaps Provoman can try to deal with the actual evidence.

[_Stem]

I don't know why I went back and followed the thread I was arbitrarily banned from. I hope someone chimes in with the needed information. It seems they are all stuck saying things like, "Well, it doesn't appear there's any reason to think Bishop did bad stuff before he was mission president" or "she didn't' say anything about what she talked with Monson about so there was nothing nefarious there".

So RFM's latest suggested that the old Bishop's daughter went and lived with Denson after her visit with him--the one where he deemed her a bit crazy, apparently. Also, what in the world was the Church doing contacting him multiple times before the media did? his story doesn't make sense in light of that. If as he said, he heard her say something about indiscretion but thought she was crazy, then why would the Church have a need to contact him multiple times, and why did he have his daughter go live with her? he makes it sound, when interviewed, as if she was someone he did not really know but did not see as credible. It sounds to me there's reason to think he thought the opposite of that. This totally makes it sound like that Church influenced him to suggest her complaints in 1987-8 stopped before they started. I'm not buying it. I think she's credible and think she did meet with Elder Asay. I'll bet the Church has record of it (since the Church spokesman suggested she met with other General Authorities).

Pretty crappy stuff. And great Job RFM. I'm so glad you stuck to the story and uncovered so many elements, spoke them into effectiveness. Added up, there's a lot to this.

[_consiglieri]

Thanks, Stem.

I am in the process of reaching out to Chris Jones at KUTV regarding the redacted police reports.

I am interested to see how KUTV will feel when they find the BYU Police Department was trying to pull the wool over their eyes . . .