Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

[_Chap]

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Preparing and serving food to order is some of the most demanding work you'll ever do in your life, it will teach you about human social behavior like not many other jobs will (John Q. Public can be incredibly rude when it comes to food or take out their troubles on you simply because you are "there"), make you become adaptable, it requires the ability to multitask like a demon, stay on your feet for long hours because good luck getting a break when you're working with a skeleton crew.

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And then there are naïve people on the internet who think that taking a swipe at a whole profession and the people who engage in it, makes them look smart. When what it really does is make them look like a complete ass who doesn't know ____ and has no insight to draw from.

Couldn't agree more. It's very hard work, and the people who do it for us deserve to be spoken to like human beings rather than the vending and serving machines that all too many people treat them as.

On the other hand, I would always think it better to avoid provoking or insulting the staff of a restaurant where I am eating, because:

1. [99% of the reasons] That kind of confrontation spoils most of the pleasure of eating a meal prepared and served by others, and in general I find that a little time invested in being nice to often overworked and underpaid service staff pays a big dividend in reciprocal niceness. And in any case (as the Buddhists know) being nice to someone else is good for you, whatever the reaction.

There is more than a pinch of condescension in this part.

Puzzling. So to avoid condescension, I have to do what, exactly? Stop showing appreciation for people who do a hard job well? Because they'd be happier if I received their good service in stone-faced silence, paid, and left without a word of thanks, or any acknowledgement that I was encountering another human being?

[_honorentheos]

Or get sarcasm. You really talked pass café crema because you failed to understand what she was saying.

[_ajax18]

I think we've lost something when teenagers no longer work in food service as a first job because companies prefer cheap and lifelong illegal immigrant labor. Too many young people just don't understand work or the value of a dollar.

[_Some Schmo]

I think we've lost something when teenagers no longer work in food service as a first job because companies prefer cheap and lifelong illegal immigrant labor. Too many young people just don't understand work or the value of a dollar.

What we've lost is respect for what is real. It's easier to blame immigrants for everything than to actually damned think.

You're a lazy moron.

[_Themis]

And then there are naïve people on the internet who think that taking a swipe at a whole profession and the people who engage in it, makes them look smart. When what it really does is make them look like a complete ass who doesn't know ____ and has no insight to draw from.

You were fine until here. I know you sometimes like to pile on when you never took the time to understand what I was saying and more importantly not saying. I never took a swipe at a whole profession. The point was not that serious, and was only about a universal wisdom of not eating food from your enemy. A lot of us have worked in the food industry, and while the vast majority are very good, we all know there are some who do such things.

[_Themis]

I think we've lost something when teenagers no longer work in food service as a first job because companies prefer cheap and lifelong illegal immigrant labor.

Like Trump and his companies.

Too many young people just don't understand work or the value of a dollar.

You must be getting old. Older generations always love to say this about the younger ones.

[_Chap]

I think we've lost something when teenagers no longer work in food service as a first job because companies prefer cheap and lifelong illegal immigrant labor.

Like Trump and his companies.

Well, Trump legally hires foreign labour for seasonal work at Mar a Lago, and gets them visas. He apparently thinks that either Americans would not be up to doing hard stuff like waitering and cooking, or that they would not want to do it for the kind of wages he is prepared to offer.

Remember, by the way, that Mar a Lago serves very, very rich people. If the wages of the staff were increased to a level sufficient to attract Americans, is it likely that the customers would stop coming? Nah.

Not that Trump really gives Americans much of a chance to apply for these jobs anyway:

During a Republican primary debate, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) grilled Trump on hiring foreign workers at his resorts. Trump responded that it’s “hard to find” U.S. workers, getting visas for foreign workers is “legal,” and his company had “no choice.”

Companies are required to run two want ads in local newspapers before applying for foreign worker visas. Mar-a-Lago chose to place two hard-to-find classified ads in tiny type with no phone number or email information, according to a Washington Post report in August. Workers could apply only by fax or mail.

CareerSource Palm Beach County, a nonprofit placement agency, told The Palm Beach Post that there are many Americans eager to work at Mar-a-Lago. “We currently have 5,136 qualified candidates in Palm Beach County for various hospitality positions,” spokesman Tom Veenstra said

[_cinepro]

You know the saying "I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it?" I think that applies in this case.

I certainly don't agree with what the restaurant owner did, but I think we're allowed to discriminate against people because of their politics, so the owner should be able to deny her service.

I would also support people in boycotting the restaurant, but threatening phone calls (or even fake negative reviews on Yelp) are inappropriate.

[_EAllusion]

I do think it is relevant that the "politics" we are talking about is being a perpetually deceptive propaganda minister for a regime subjecting children to human rights violations. The notion that it is wrong to politely refuse to serve such a person doesn't sit well with me.

[_Hawkeye]

I do think it is relevant that the "politics" we are talking about is being a perpetually deceptive propaganda minister for a regime subjecting children to human rights violations. The notion that it is wrong to politely refuse to serve such a person doesn't sit well with me.

Well, when you put it like that...