POC and Trump Fan: A Baffling Combination

[_Kishkumen]

Two things. One, Kish is not a left-wing liberal. Two, actual left wing liberals would have a similar reaction to yours. I winced a little when I read the post, as I'm 100% sure how a white guy telling a POC what they should think and do would be received in left-wing circles. And, it should be noted, the world is full of conservative folks who instruct POC on how they should think and behave. I'm not sure I've ever seen a conservative person defend a liberal POC in the full-throated way Bach does in this case.

Yes, this is one of my problems with progressives, the idea that I have no business speaking to POC about things that interest them. God forbid that I should participate in a conversation with POC that would lead us to have better mutual understanding. No, as a white man, I have no business engaging POC or women in a conversation about things of interest to them. I am really weary of that attitude. If I say something stupid, I am grown up enough to own up to making a mistake, and I trust that they will be understanding enough to call me on it and help me grasp where I made a mistake. But the idea that I should shut the “F” up because I am white and male flies in the face of our culture of free speech.

Really, I am sick as crap of the whole conservative/liberal war. Both groups make me sick to my stomach. The difference, with Trump, is that we all have a real enemy who is running roughshod over our Constitution and may very well be looking to establish a tyranny for himself. I marvel at POC in particular supporting this guy, but the truth is that no one who loves the rule of the law and the Constitution should support Trump. He is a corrupt, reckless fool, who is doing great damage to our country. So, white people who support Trump, don't be his chump.

There, I have 'splained to everyone now.

[_Kishkumen]

Most African American contractors I've met in the construction business support DJT and the enforcement of the southern border. Mass and illegal immigration of unskilled impoverished people hurts African American people the most.

And just like that, our white sheet wearing beetlejuice pops in out of nowhere, with made up stories about the black people he has "met", when we say POC 3x. I also like how you just come in and say stupid things with no evidence other than pretending like you have spoken with black contractors who support DJT. LoL.

I have a difficult time taking anything a Neo-Nazi says seriously. Yes, there are POC who support Donald Trump for various reasons. Sure, but, as I noted in my OP, Trump is out for the white people first. Anyone whose clarity of thought is obscured by other concerns is ignorant or foolish, regardless of color, gender, or creed. Right about now I would prefer that we had Paul Ryan as president over Trump/Pence. Ryan may have no real values, but he is probably a helluva lot less dangerous than either Trump or Pence, and he may be less racist than either of those two.

[_ajax18]

I have a difficult time taking anything a Neo-Nazi says seriously. Yes, there are POC who support Donald Trump for various reasons. Sure, but, as I noted in my opening post, Trump is out for the white people first. Anyone whose clarity of thought is obscured by other concerns is ignorant or foolish, regardless of color, gender, or creed. Right about now I would prefer that we had Paul Ryan as president over Trump/Pence. Ryan may have no real values, but he is probably a helluva lot less dangerous than either Trump or Pence, and he may be less racist than either of those two.

The country declined that opportunity in 2012.

[_Dr. Shades]

There are those few Trump fans who are POCs (people of color). I could understand POC Republicans before Trump, but I am having a real difficult time fathoming POC Republicans in Trump's GOP.

What do they say their reasons are?

[_subgenius]

I’m pretty sure you can’t underestimate the stupidity of most human beings,....

naw, you've set the standard for stupidity in a definite way, no one who has read your posts will underestimate human stupidity ever again.

[_Gadianton]

What kind of numbers are we dealing with?

http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/ ... ic-groups/

according this, in the last 20 years or so, black republicans have dropped from six to three percent. Out of that three percent, how many are specifically Trump supporters? I assume Bach has met most of them.

Hispanics have dropped from 20% to 14%. How many are Trump supporters?

If I had to guess, the majority of that small percentage are those with deep religious opposition to gay marriage, abortion, and not necessarily loyal to Trump. Those who were two years ago, let's see if they still are two years from today.

I had one very odd encounter with a Hispanic woman who was a shuttle driver on a trip to airport. She was a big Trump supporter because she said he was hilarious and kept her laughing. She said he can't really do much more with a wall than has already been done, and explained in some detail where all the people she knows used to cross and how much harder it is now. I would pay good money to speak with her again and see if her views have changed. I think she vastly underestimated his creativity to inflict evil. I know I did.

I do disagree with Kish on one thing. I don't think Trump is on the side of the whites. I think he is on the side of himself. I think he may greatly envy Putin and want to be like that. The least resistance to achieving his goals is to be "with the whites". I don't think he is inherently racist. I mean, hell, prior to his political run, was he against cheap labor for his businesses? I think he has molded himself to serve those who will in turn laugh at his jokes and say he's 'da man and keep voting for him, however it is has has to accomplish that. The easiest way is to serve white republicans. And that's pretty easy to do, because to the rich he makes more rich, and poor whites are unfortunately all brainwashed by right-wing media and junk emails that depict entitlements, liberal ideals of inclusiveness, and "big government" as the cause of their problems. It's the opposite of course, things like regressive taxes screw them more than anything, but don't try to explain it.

[Guest]

Remember this guy? He still shows up to virtually every Trump gathering and they carefully place him right behind the great orange one. Talk about paid actors.

[Guest]

Much like our bed sheet wearing beetlejuice who just just needs someone to mention people of color 3 times in order to appear, our resident mouth-breathing, imbecile beetlejuice just needs hear someone talk about stupid people in order to trigger his insecurities causing him make an appearance to prove whatever point you are trying to make about stupid people. You, subfaps are truly a gem...as sad, pathetic, not very bright, very neglected but predictable gem.

[_Res Ipsa]

Two things. One, Kish is not a left-wing liberal. Two, actual left wing liberals would have a similar reaction to yours. I winced a little when I read the post, as I'm 100% sure how a white guy telling a POC what they should think and do would be received in left-wing circles. And, it should be noted, the world is full of conservative folks who instruct POC on how they should think and behave. I'm not sure I've ever seen a conservative person defend a liberal POC in the full-throated way Bach does in this case.

Yes, this is one of my problems with progressives, the idea that I have no business speaking to POC about things that interest them. God forbid that I should participate in a conversation with POC that would lead us to have better mutual understanding. No, as a white man, I have no business engaging POC or women in a conversation about things of interest to them. I am really weary of that attitude. If I say something stupid, I am grown up enough to own up to making a mistake, and I trust that they will be understanding enough to call me on it and help me grasp where I made a mistake. But the idea that I should shut the ____ up because I am white and male flies in the face of our culture of free speech.

Really, I am sick as ____ of the whole conservative/liberal war. Both groups make me sick to my stomach. The difference, with Trump, is that we all have a real enemy who is running roughshod over our Constitution and may very well be looking to establish a tyranny for himself. I marvel at POC in particular supporting this guy, but the truth is that no one who loves the rule of the law and the Constitution should support Trump. He is a corrupt, reckless fool, who is doing great damage to our country. So, white people who support Trump, don't be his chump.

There, I have 'splained to everyone now.

I don't see progressives saying that white folks shouldn't talk to POCs. It's that there are far too many white folks telling POCs what they "should" be doing politically and precious little listening. And, yeah, splaining. So its not STFU -- more like STFU and listen for a change. I don't view listening to underrepresented points of view as a loss of my free speech.

[_Bach]

If you are conservative and a POC, you damn well ought to do everything to fight back against Trump's takeover of the GOP. You should stand with the vocal Republican and non-GOP conservative opponents of Trump and Trumpism.

The above is the concluding paragraph to THE MOST RACIST post on this board. In as much as it’s author would rather deflect a racist position by calling others “neo nazis” (always a liberal classic), it’s just too hard to expect an apology. Much like Maxine!

Ignorance, immaturity, anger and lack of self reflection will always be their Achilles. Not much different from any addict trying to blame others.

SO DISGUSTING.