When did republicans/conservatives turn anti-free trade?
They didn't. DJT still supports free trade. But he no longer views us as just citizens of the world. He puts American interests first when it comes to trade, the border, the environment, etc. In the past Republicans have put the interest of big business ahead of the common working American. DJT changed that when he thrashed the RINOs in the Republican primary of 2016. It's called economic nationalism. It's the movement that provided a winning Republican presidential candidate when the old ways of the establishment produced nothing but losses.
I get the Donald Trump doesn't view the US as citizens of the world, but his alternative facts don't change the real fact that the US is part of a larger global economy. You Trumpettes keep talking about winning a trade war. Can you cite any examples of trade wars in history that actually produced a winner?
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canpakes wrote:And I suppose that you can also believe in such things as unicorns and that tax cuts pay for themselves, or all sorts of other fantasies. In the end, if you’re going to make an assertion, then you should throw down some evidence to help back it up.
check the thread, you made the assertion.
canpakes wrote:So you appear to believe that employers might believe that the wages of their migrant work force are being held ‘up’. Discuss.
I did not say what I believe...though I believe market forces can co-exist whereas employer and employee are equally, and simultaneously, dissatisfied with a wage rate.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
canpakes wrote:And I suppose that you can also believe in such things as unicorns and that tax cuts pay for themselves, or all sorts of other fantasies. In the end, if you’re going to make an assertion, then you should throw down some evidence to help back it up.
check the thread, you made the assertion.
Rather, I asked a question that you dodged:
“Can you tell me if the wages of agricultural workers are being held down by their wanting to be paid less?”
Then you went on to state that perhaps some employers feel that the wages paid to migrants has been held ‘up’. Which gets us to this place, where you can’t back that up either, and where you are just circling about in a confused manner.
subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:So you appear to believe that employers might believe that the wages of their migrant work force are being held ‘up’. Discuss.
I did not say what I believe...though I believe market forces can co-exist whereas employer and employee are equally, and simultaneously, dissatisfied with a wage rate.
Sure. That much is known. Where do you suppose that employers want to go from here?
canpakes wrote:Rather, I asked a question that you dodged:
so your burden for evidence is misplaced, thanks.
canpakes wrote:“Can you tell me if the wages of agricultural workers are being held down by their wanting to be paid less?”
Then you went on to state that perhaps some employers feel that the wages paid to migrants has been held ‘up’. Which gets us to this place, where you can’t back that up either, and where you are just circling about in a confused manner.
Nope, I went on to answer as follows: "But if we assume greed as an inescapable universal human condition, then the workers might believe their wages are always being held down whereas the employers might believe that their wages are being held "up".", with the obvious "back up" being the whole assumption about greed....see how i typed words there?
subgenius wrote:Sure. That much is known. Where do you suppose that employers want to go from here?
"Suppose"? I dare not suppose even though you ask me to suppose, because then you will accuse of making suppositions without evidence...and suppositions without evidence are...well, they are just suppositions.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
canpakes wrote:Rather, I asked a question that you dodged:
so your burden for evidence is misplaced, thanks.
canpakes wrote:“Can you tell me if the wages of agricultural workers are being held down by their wanting to be paid less?”
Then you went on to state that perhaps some employers feel that the wages paid to migrants has been held ‘up’. Which gets us to this place, where you can’t back that up either, and where you are just circling about in a confused manner.
Nope, I went on to answer as follows: "But if we assume greed as an inescapable universal human condition, then the workers might believe their wages are always being held down whereas the employers might believe that their wages are being held "up".", with the obvious "back up" being the whole assumption about greed....see how i typed words there?
subgenius wrote:Sure. That much is known. Where do you suppose that employers want to go from here?
"Suppose"? I dare not suppose even though you ask me to suppose, because then you will accuse of making suppositions without evidence...and suppositions without evidence are...well, they are just suppositions.
OK, so you don’t know anything about the subject of discussion. You just showed up in here to drop a bunch of marbles on to the floor, which no one then slipped on except for yourself. Got it. ; )
canpakes wrote:OK, so you don’t know anything about the subject of discussion. You just showed up in here to drop a bunch of marbles on to the floor, which no one then slipped on except for yourself. Got it. ; )
I discussed pertinent points about your post, which you ignored - and then you that decided better to ask ambiguous questions, only to become judgmental when my answers did not provide enough argument for you to jump on. I even provided a relevant anecdote on the subject of discussion. Whereas you have still yet to answer the question for this mystery "process" marble you rolled across the floor....but given that you have not really discussed anything here yourself, i got it!
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
canpakes wrote:OK, so you don’t know anything about the subject of discussion. You just showed up in here to drop a bunch of marbles on to the floor, which no one then slipped on except for yourself. Got it. ; )
I discussed pertinent points about your post, which you ignored - and then you that decided better to ask ambiguous questions, only to become judgmental when my answers did not provide enough argument for you to jump on. I even provided a relevant anecdote on the subject of discussion. Whereas you have still yet to answer the question for this mystery "process" marble you rolled across the floor....but given that you have not really discussed anything here yourself, i got it!
It’s not up to me to answer, for conservatives, why they think that the mere presence of brown migrants in an area forces ag producers and farm owners to offer comparatively low wages for their work. That’s the conservative argument. Apparently, you can’t explain it either, even after I clarified your questions for you.
Great gif; this is a great visual for whenever you show up in threads. : )
You Trumpettes keep talking about winning a trade war. Can you cite any examples of trade wars in history that actually produced a winner?
Look, China has been manipulating their currency and kept us at a trade deficit for many decades now. If it takes a trade war to get us back onto a level playing field, that's a price I'm willing to pay. If you let other people walk all over you, you soon find yourself without any rights. That's why fighting is necessary sometimes.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
You Trumpettes keep talking about winning a trade war. Can you cite any examples of trade wars in history that actually produced a winner?
Look, China has been manipulating their currency and kept us at a trade deficit for many decades now. If it takes a trade war to get us back onto a level playing field, that's a price I'm willing to pay. If you let other people walk all over you, you soon find yourself without any rights. That's why fighting is necessary sometimes.
If only Americans hadn’t been so damn obsessed with buying as much crap as possible at the lowest price Walmart could push it ...
... although I suspect that the larger share of Trump fanatics will still be haunting the aisles of Wallie World and dollar stores just as often next week as last week. And so it goes.
Ajax - Your predictable adoption of Trump's half-understood mercantilism aside, since Trump is a free trader, I'm curious who you can point to in American politics who isn't a free trader? In fact, what is a protectionist?
