Fear of the Left . . .

[_EAllusion]

I think Trump was plenty inclusive. He brought together a coalition of voters that no Republican before him could. How else did he break the blue wall? How much better did Romney and McCain do with Hispanics?

Trump won with a smaller % of the vote than Micheal Dukakis got. He's not some Republican Kwisatz Haderach. He barely won an election while losing the popular vote with a lot of lucky breaks along the way. He somehow manages to be widely unpopular despite lucking into some of the most favorable conditions for a president of the past 50 years. If you want an example of a Republican president with a larger coalition, the answer is all of them. It's like you forgot that the country existed before 2008.

DJT is actually a legal and law respecting hispanic citizens best friend. Their unemployment has hit all time lows during his presidency.

Yes, clearly DJT explains current employment numbers. You can see it right in the day he became president:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhbps0YUwAA_dgl.jpg

[_honorentheos]

I think Trump was plenty inclusive.

Of course you do.

[Guest]

No worries. Looks like we both enjoy the same relative privilege, then, seeing how PR residents have been free to come and go within the US, and move to any state at any time, since 1917.

Dude we covered this topic as nausea on another thread that I'm pretty sure you were a part of. But now you embarrass yourself pretending to know something about a topic you literally have no experience with. When my parent came to the States, Puerto Ricans were still required to be screened at immigration centers. In fact there were such increased immigration in 50s that a facility was opened in Chicago to process all these Puerto Ricans that were coming/going so freely. So, so spare yourself further embarassment.

Oh, they were screened. You make this sound like it was a bad thing.

The ability of your parents to enter the US was never in question. If they were 'screened', it was likely so that they could participate in sponsored migration, a mutual effort between the US and PR governments to heavily facilitate movement of folks to the Mainland and to actively help integrate those migrants successfully (even including english classes!) under programs like the FPP.

In other words, your parents were likely given some valuable government assistance in their move across the water. This is pretty much the exact opposite of what happens today; even modern-day Puerto Rico no longer maintains these programs.

So while you have, in past threads, berated (as example) Dreamers for not doing enough by themselves to bang their heads against a system that doesn't even have a small window to crawl through in search of legalization, your own family may have had the blessing and cooperation of two governments acting on your behalf and spending time & money to help you integrate into your new digs.

Quite a contrast.

For all of your mention of your parents having earned their right to stay, it sure helps to be born with that right in the first place, yes? Unless they're incredibly old, perhaps?

Or unless they lived a life based in fact, as opposed to your cursory Google effort above.

This, from the fellow who just posted a garbage list of 'ice age' articles grabbed from a cursory Google search in a failed attempt to argue against 'climate change'.

But, hey - keep up that other bit about the POC image you're pushing, while knocking other folks who actually have to deal with that. Your snowflake routine is pretty adorable. ; )

Many times on this board I have noted how my life has been much like a double absent when it comes to race. And my upbringing was sparse of the "diversity" you believe you want...and to be honest being non-white never really is a big issue...until some white guy wants to talk about it...and when there is a PoC in the group you guys always eventually want to talk about it.

Without spending time on the irony of a self-claimed POC such as yourself arguing against a scientific phenomenon that will likely have a vastly more significant effect on actual, poor POC's in other countries around the world as opposed to your own privileged and protected stateside arse, I'd note that you were the one who insisted on using your own skin color, however diluted, as some sort of special attribute to disqualify anyone else's opinion.

Keep in mind that snowflakes really have no particular color. ; )

[_canpakes]

I thought I did participate - but I would be happy to participate further by offering my personal comments/opinions on any of the ideas that the leftists who respected the topic enough to have engaged.

Ceeboo,

Maybe this is rewording Doc's request a bit, but can you tell me what the important issues are for you that you do not believe have been adequately represented over the past couple of decades? And then, maybe speak a bit to how you'd like to see them be resolved?

If that sounds like a tall order, then just some simple points to start the conversation are good enough to me.

[_ajax18]

poor POC's in other countries around the world as opposed to your own privileged and protected stateside arse,

Protected? Really? The country the left says is built on racism and is calling for revolution. The country with racially oppressive laws like the one in Arizona where it is supposedly a crime to drive while being Hispanic? The country with a racist criminal justice system where poc are given stiffer sentences for the same crimes as whites?

Subgenius is proof that this narrative is not based on fact. Unlike those on the left, Subgenius believes in true equality and takes personal responsibility for his life.

[Guest]

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[_canpakes]

poor POC's in other countries around the world as opposed to your own privileged and protected stateside arse,

Protected? Really? The country the left says is built on racism and is calling for revolution. The country with racially oppressive laws like the one in Arizona where it is supposedly a crime to drive while being Hispanic? The country with a racist criminal justice system where poc are given stiffer sentences for the same crimes as whites?

Subgenius is proof that this narrative is not based on fact. Unlike those on the left, Subgenius believes in true equality and takes personal responsibility for his life.

I just moved out of AZ. It isn’t a crime to ‘drive while Hispanic’, although if subs were several shades darker and driving around in his grubby weekend yard work clothes to Home Depot, then yes, he could have been stopped by our fine local Phoenix police and asked to provide proof of residency during that stop. The law that you are referring to has some rationale behind why it was created but in the end was poorly written and ended up costing the County millions to defend.

As for whatever about how the whole country was ‘built on racism’, there is that messy slavery thing that I know some folks want to pretend was really just a cleverly-configured guest worker program that blacks should be happy for their ancestors to have been a part of.

I can’t speak for subbies contemporary citizenship experience in particular, but I can tell you that residents of PR had, for a while, some distinct advantages going for them when they came to the Mainland, via government intervention that - if happening today - would have seen quite a few on ‘the right’ howling about how the nation was being invaded and how the Government was aiding and abetting it. Probably to get Democratic voters here, right?

[_subgenius]

Oh, they were screened. You make this sound like it was a bad thing.

Nope, i never did.

The ability of your parents to enter the US was never in question.

True...but, yet again, it was parent not parents.

If they were 'screened', it was likely so that they could participate in sponsored migration, a mutual effort between the US and PR governments to heavily facilitate movement of folks to the Mainland and to actively help integrate those migrants successfully (even including english classes!) under programs like the FPP.

Yes, white guy, please tell me more because my parent's account and supporting documentation is obviously not good enough.

In other words, your parents were likely given some valuable government assistance in their move across the water.

Nope, that is not how my parent got here. Family paid for the ship passage out of pocket.

This is pretty much the exact opposite of what happens today; even modern-day Puerto Rico no longer maintains these programs.

Yet, still irrelevant to our discussion.

So while you have, in past threads, berated (as example) Dreamers for not doing enough by themselves to bang their heads against a system that doesn't even have a small window to crawl through in search of legalization, your own family may have had the blessing and cooperation of two governments acting on your behalf and spending time & money to help you integrate into your new digs.

Yet they did not, because, as usual, you only "believe" you know the facts. Nevertheless,

Quite a contrast.

Yes, it is quite a contrast between those who are legally motivated and those who are illegally passive.

This, from the fellow who just posted a garbage list of 'ice age' articles grabbed from a cursory Google search in a failed attempt to argue against 'climate change'.

Yeah, because even a moron would read that post and understand that it was not an argument for/against climate change.

you were the one who insisted on using your own skin color, however diluted, as some sort of special attribute to disqualify anyone else's opinion.

I only noted, as a PoC, that it is amusing and exhausting to read white people telling it like it is.

Keep in mind that snowflakes really have no particular color. ; )

Thanks for all your valuable guidance white person, I really needed racism to be explained by a white guy like you....#blessed.

[_Maksutov]

Hey canpakes!

If that sounds like a tall order, then just some simple points to start the conversation are good enough to me.

Well, this will certainly move the discussion away from the topic in the opening post - But I am the author of said opening post so...............

The bigger the government, the smaller the person/citizen (While I expect my friends of the political left to support a bigger and bigger and bigger government, I am very troubled by not only the conservative participation in bigger government but the equal parts they have played in corruption, elitism, partisanship, lobbying groups and doing their part to help stink up the swamp more than it already stinks!

Constitutional free speech is at serious risk in this country. Not only is free speech being blocked across American campuses, it is being done with the full support of university "leaders" (professors, presidents) that are politically motivated to take the authority (authority that they have given to themselves) of removing the constitutional rights of other American citizens. For all American citizens (And America itself) this is such a dangerous road and what's even more dangerous is that we have already begun traveling it with very little condemnation (As a matter of fact, we have been offering excuses and proposing "valid" reasons for why these constitutional rights are being taken away from some American citizens)

Race/racism - While America has racists dwelling in her (And homophobes - and sexists - and anti-semites - etc. by the way, the reason for this is that America is comprised of human beings) America is the least racist multi-cultural country that has ever existed. What country would you have better opportunity? Be more accepted? What country would you rather be in? If you were a minority, a homosexual, a woman. America doesn't oppress women or minorities or homosexuals. Yes. like anything else, an exception can be found but to suggest that America is an oppressive country is utter nonsense - Unfortunately. It's politically motivated and by design to constantly trot out how oppressive America is. Why? Because, of all else, this creates victims! And victims (Even if in name only) are fantastic things to have if you are a politician.

Justice in America..........has evolved (largely due to political tactics and political influence) and has now become "social justice" - so we are now treated with "Social Justice warriors" to carry out this social justice across this great land....which, of course, on many levels has diluted, warped and corrupted justice. Justice (just like America in my opinion) needs no modifier. A blindfolded woman holding a scale is what represents American justice.

I could keep going but that's probably enough for now...........

Peace,
Ceeboo

So...you're saying that a too large government, liberal university professors and students and "social justice warriors" are destroying America.

Yet, Republicans/conservatives have presided over the growth in government and the deficit. They have been in charge for some time now and government and debt keep growing.

LIberal university professors and students are problems for people on those campuses who don't agree with them. They aren't a major influence on the rest of us. There are far right universities, professors and students, too, who you should also be concerned about--but I know you reject a lot of science and history and so would probably be okay with them. :D

And then there's the "social justice warriors". Yeah, conservatives dreamed up that cute phrase a long time ago to denigrate liberal activists. But what are conservatives who agitate against abortion? What were the Republicans like Charlton Heston who marched with Martin Luther King, Jr.? What were the abolitionists? What are Christians who are called to do go do good in the world? Aren't they "social justice warriors", especially when going on about "Christian warriors"?

Ceeboo, you are marinating in American right wing media modeling of reality. You have described a clear cut partisan framing of issues from only one side. You will always be unhappy, angry, frightened, frustrated, blaming others with such a worldview. And yes, there is the mirror image of the liberals that do the same thing from their side. You are fearing your fellow Americans because some dude named Prager is telling you to. He's well paid to do so, doesn't know you, doesn't know me, but you trust him. Look inward.

[Guest]

Oh, they were screened. You make this sound like it was a bad thing.

Nope, i never did.

The ability of your parents to enter the US was never in question.

True...but, yet again, it was parent not parents.

If they were 'screened', it was likely so that they could participate in sponsored migration, a mutual effort between the US and PR governments to heavily facilitate movement of folks to the Mainland and to actively help integrate those migrants successfully (even including english classes!) under programs like the FPP.

Yes, white guy, please tell me more because my parent's account and supporting documentation is obviously not good enough.

In other words, your parents were likely given some valuable government assistance in their move across the water.

Nope, that is not how my parent got here. Family paid for the ship passage out of pocket.

This is pretty much the exact opposite of what happens today; even modern-day Puerto Rico no longer maintains these programs.

Yet, still irrelevant to our discussion.

So while you have, in past threads, berated (as example) Dreamers for not doing enough by themselves to bang their heads against a system that doesn't even have a small window to crawl through in search of legalization, your own family may have had the blessing and cooperation of two governments acting on your behalf and spending time & money to help you integrate into your new digs.

Yet they did not, because, as usual, you only "believe" you know the facts. Nevertheless,

Quite a contrast.

Yes, it is quite a contrast between those who are legally motivated and those who are illegally passive.

This, from the fellow who just posted a garbage list of 'ice age' articles grabbed from a cursory Google search in a failed attempt to argue against 'climate change'.

Yeah, because even a moron would read that post and understand that it was not an argument for/against climate change.

you were the one who insisted on using your own skin color, however diluted, as some sort of special attribute to disqualify anyone else's opinion.

I only noted, as a PoC, that it is amusing and exhausting to read white people telling it like it is.

Keep in mind that snowflakes really have no particular color. ; )

Thanks for all your valuable guidance white person, I really needed racism to be explained by a white guy like you....#blessed.

You’re welcome. Happy to oblige by adding the factual context that you’re trying to leave out, my tender little snowflake.