Fear of the Left . . .

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_Ceeboo
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Ceeboo, just passing through at the moment but I saw your question about if a right-leaning university had ever restricted/thwarted/banned a speaker. The link below may be one such instance depending on how one interprets this. I may look later for other examples.

https://www.liberty.edu/champion/2017/1 ... -concerns/

Thank you for your reply earlier; I will try to respond later if other posters don’t end up covering the same points as I might otherwise bring.
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canpakes wrote:Ceeboo, just passing through at the moment but I saw your question about if a right-leaning university had ever restricted/thwarted/banned a speaker. The link below may be one such instance depending on how one interprets this. I may look later for other examples.

https://www.liberty.edu/champion/2017/1 ... -concerns/

Thank you for your reply earlier; I will try to respond later if other posters don’t end up covering the same points as I might otherwise bring.

And see if any of those right-leaning schools ever gave any of those speakers the ole' UC Berkley welcome...or if they actually hosted a speaker, and felt like extra security and metal detectors were necessary for students anticipated behavior.
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Ceeboo wrote:Hey Mak! :smile:

Maksutov wrote:So...you're saying that a too large government, liberal university professors and students and "social justice warriors" are destroying America.

No, that's what you are saying though.

What then was I saying? In a response to canpakes, I was offering a few simple points for discussion.

LIberal university professors and students are problems for people on those campuses who don't agree with them.

First, it's not "liberals" (The majority of liberals share my view of protecting freedom of speech for all Americans in this country) It's the leftist that are doing their best to shut down and silence opposing views.

They aren't a major influence on the rest of us.

Nonsense! Free speech is critical to every single american citizen (Not to even mention the countless American citizens that have given their life to protect our freedoms)

There are far right universities, professors and students, too, who you should also be concerned about

Can you name a single "far right university" that has attempted to shut down free speech and/or silence an opposing view/speaker? A single instance?

--but I know you reject a lot of science and history and so would probably be okay with them. :D

Yeah - It always ends up there doesn't it. I'm an American conservative who believes in God so I get the standard and way over-played Bill Maher mockery/treatment. Pathetic!

And then there's the "social justice warriors". Yeah, conservatives dreamed up that cute phrase a long time ago to denigrate liberal activists.

You approve of the modifier huh? It isn't a "cute phrase to denigrate liberal activist." But your colors are really showing now. It's an extremely important distinction that needs to be recognized. Social justice corrupts justice. Period.

Ceeboo, you are marinating in American right wing media modeling of reality. You have described a clear cut partisan framing of issues from only one side.

Do you think you frame the "issues" from the other side? Or do you believe you, unlike me, have a balanced approach to these things?

You will always be unhappy, angry, frightened, frustrated, blaming others with such a worldview.

OMG! That could be the funniest thing that I have ever read on this board. Ever. Adjectives like "unhappy, angry, frightened and frustrated" certainly can be used to describe an American political group, unfortunately for you, generally speaking, it most certainly is not the conservative.

You are fearing your fellow Americans because some dude named Prager is telling you to.

I'm not fearing any of my fellow Americans. I fear leftism and what it might do (and is already doing) to America. Also, I admire, respect and think very highly of Prager. In my mind, he is a very decent and wise man. You need not agree with me, that's okay.

Conservatives control all branches of government. Fact. Conservatives own most of the guns. Fact. Conservatives have the worst history of lynchings, rebellions, paramilitaries, militias in this country. Fact. Conservatives own most of the wealth in this country. Fact.

Leftists and rightists have always been with us. They are the outliers in civilization. Sorry you don't appreciate the First Amendment applies all around. It makes you afraid. It makes you run to ideologues like Prager who tell you you're persecuted. But I get it. Conservatives control everything and so they have the most to lose. That means electing the candidate who told the biggest lie to get into the White House, about his predecessor. Fact. :wink:
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Ceeboo wrote:
Maksutov wrote:Conservatives control all branches of government. Fact. Conservatives own most of the guns. Fact. Conservatives have the worst history of lynchings, rebellions, paramilitaries, militias in this country. Fact. Conservatives own most of the wealth in this country. Fact.

Leftists and rightists have always been with us. They are the outliers in civilization. Sorry you don't appreciate the First Amendment applies all around. It makes you afraid. It makes you run to ideologues like Prager who tell you you're persecuted. But I get it. Conservatives control everything and so they have the most to lose. That means electing the candidate who told the biggest lie to get into the White House, about his predecessor. Fact. :wink:

Fact - Ceeboo has decided that our 'discussions' have reached an end. Fact.

You were never discussing in the first place, Ceeboo. You were preaching Pragerism. Fact. "The Left" is thrown around so "liberally" that it is useless as a definition. It all depends on the perspective of the user. Just like the abuse of "fascist" and "fascism".
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Ceeboo -

Here’s a short article relevant to the question we are discussing - take a read through it and let me know what you think.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... out-campus

There are some examples from both sides presented.

An excerpt of note:

... "Too often, people excuse or ignore censorship when it’s coming from people they support. I find it very common to have my allies in academic freedom battles radically shift all the time. When I defend Steven Salaita [who lost a job at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign], all of the leftists join in and the conservatives bend over backwards to find some excuse for why academic freedom doesn’t apply. When I defend John McAdams [who is fighting to keep a job at Marquette University], the conservatives discover academic freedom and the liberals search for every reason to justify the administration's repression. The greatest threat to free speech on campus is hypocrisy, when defenders of free expression with good intentions fail to vigorously apply their own principles to people they despise. That divides what should be a united front for free speech and makes it possible for censorship to thrive."
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canpakes wrote:Ceeboo -

Here’s a short article relevant to the question we are discussing - take a read through it and let me know what you think.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... out-campus

There are some examples from both sides presented.

An excerpt of note:

... "Too often, people excuse or ignore censorship when it’s coming from people they support. I find it very common to have my allies in academic freedom battles radically shift all the time. When I defend Steven Salaita [who lost a job at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign], all of the leftists join in and the conservatives bend over backwards to find some excuse for why academic freedom doesn’t apply. When I defend John McAdams [who is fighting to keep a job at Marquette University], the conservatives discover academic freedom and the liberals search for every reason to justify the administration's repression. The greatest threat to free speech on campus is hypocrisy, when defenders of free expression with good intentions fail to vigorously apply their own principles to people they despise. That divides what should be a united front for free speech and makes it possible for censorship to thrive."

You don't have to grasp like that, straws are pretty easy to get.
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subgenius wrote:...

subs, for someone with nothing to say, you sure waste a lot of time doing it. : )

So you can’t rebut the article. Don’t let that get you down.
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