Kishkumen wrote:If it turns out to be the case that Trumpies care more about Trump than the Constitution, ...
C'mon Kishkumen.
Your average Trump voter does not have internal dialogues like 'Hmm. Which is more important to me? Donald Trump or the Constitution'.
For a start, I doubt that the majority of them could even name the three branches of the US government. There are people like that in every country, of course: they vote on the basis of emotional bonding with whatever image of some politician they have absorbed from media sources. They often, as surveys show, ascribe policy positions to their favoured candidates which are quite contrary to reality - do you recall the Trump supporters who were convinced he would never touch the ACA, or their Medicare?
The question is, I submit, whether those informed persons in whose power it lies to protect the Constitution - congressmen, senators and public officials - will have the guts to do it in the face of unreasoning devotion to Trump by the majority of Republican voters. That's surely where the conflict will be fought out, if it ever is.
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Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Some Schmo wrote:It's like you, doc. You hate when people point out what a moron you are, and what do you do in response? Prove the point.
Stupid is what stupid does.
I think you're projecting, as usual. I've oft stated that I'm of average intelligence at best, and punching way above my weight class at worst. You, otoh, are a little bully and the worst kind of internet tough guy who is completely oblivious to your faults, smug beyond any justifiable reason to be so, and you're short. Your small man syndrome is so obvious and pathetic it would normally evoke sympathy, but you're kind of like the transient who openly crap s on a public sidewalk. Sure you're to be pitied, but you're so consistently foul and antisocial one sort of hopes you overdose so the crap ting ceases.
That's you.
- Doc
QED
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Let us not forget the dear departed ... Ceeboo, Ceeboo ... wherefore art thou Ceeboo?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Jersey Girl wrote:Chap I'm going to leave the question open to see if others who have commented here read it before he deleted. I'll be back later to see if anyone has.
I see this is turning into on of those rather strange interactions in which Jersey Girl seems to indulge from time to time.
What does it remind me of? Ah, yes.
I posed the following question:
Did anyone here read his final post before he deleted them all? If so, what did he write about?
And you think that asking if anyone read his final post prior to the deletes is strange? You think it's strange to find out if the people speculating about why he left read his final post?
How many questions were posed on this thread alone? Did you find those likewise strange?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Kishkumen wrote:In my view the problem with Ceeboo’s original claim is that we see a lot of people across the political spectrum unhappy with Trump. Trumpists confuse resistance to Trump for a complete breakdown in dialogue between people on different points along the political spectrum. Support for Trump is a kind of personality cult that has been wedded to a populist movement predominantly on the Right. As with many cults of personality, there is an intractable loyalty to and assault on the personality at its center. The result is highly emotional reactions on all sides. THAT may make fruitful discussion almost impossible, but this is not solely or really attributable to an insurmountable political divide.
Succinct and well-stated, in my opinion.
Agreed.
I also thought ceebs early statement that conservatives have felt unrepresented in government for a long time to be a point worthy of discussion for this very reason. So much of Trump's success and appeal seems to be his popularity among those who don't think government is working for them while wanting it to be small enough it can be strangled and flushed down the bath drain.
Intuitively this seems like a poorly examined belief, while also frustratingly understandable. Of course someone who believes the government is intruding in their lives at every turn, taking their possessions and telling them what to do while being excluded from the exclusive 0.1% that has accumulated a greater shared of the nation's wealth at the expense of the middle and lower classes the last three or four decades will feel like there is no one looking out for them. It's just kinda crazy to see the billionaire who is overheating the economy and creating even greater deficits while providing minimal returns to those not in that 0.1% elite as being the answer. It's how he ran his businesses, manipulating debt for his own self-interest at the expense of more or less everyone else, so one shouldn't be surprised that's his vision for juicing the US economy, too. Anyone not anticipating a future reset that hits hard is naïve. Yet,...liberals are scary. So, let's end civic dialog and stockpile guns and ammo for the coming civil war.
Yeah...
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Chap wrote:C'mon Kishkumen. For a start, I doubt that the majority of them could even name the three branches of the US government. There are people like that in every country, of course: they vote on the basis of emotional bonding with whatever image of some politician they have absorbed from media sources. They often, as surveys show, ascribe policy positions to their favoured candidates which are quite contrary to reality - do you recall the Trump supporters who were convinced he would never touch the ACA, or their Medicare?
The question is, I submit, whether those informed persons in whose power it lies to protect the Constitution - congressmen, senators and public officials - will have the guts to do it in the face of unreasoning devotion to Trump by the majority of Republican voters. That's surely where the conflict will be fought out, if it ever is.
I think that one of the more important potential dangers to our democracy and our cherished human liberties is widespread ignorance of our constitution and how our government is supposed to work. We all should have learned this in our eigth grade or middle school classes before qualifying for graduation. in my opinion, it is the civic duty of every citizen to remember and periodically review how our republican government is supposed to work. The U.S. constitution is not all that long and difficult to read. I have it loaded on my computer and refer to it from time to time. I think every responsible citizen should have their own copy of it and review it once in a while.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Yet,...liberals are scary. So, let's end civic dialog and stockpile guns and ammo for the coming civil war.