A taste of Prager U

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

This is my source:

https://politics.myajc.com/news/state-- ... 6yblbB68M/

And since we're on the topic of preventing Blacks from voting:

https://politics.myajc.com/news/local-g ... wCjSc1U0I/

342,000 new minority voters were registered recently. But, yeah. Them evil Conservatives are totes preventing minorities from voting.


- Doc

[_honorentheos]

This creates a white privilege. Specifically, if you are white and live in Georgia, your burden for voting is likely easier than if you are black. Likewise, you have to worry less about the government thinking up ways to deny your voice in your government. One would forgive you if you thought your government thought of you as less than a full citizen if you are black. Does this mean every white person has an easier time voting than every black person? No. Of course not. That is not what the privilege is.

Pointing this out doesn’t commit you to any particular solution. Believing it is real, and it is, doesn’t mean every 4th white person needs to be turned away at the polls to equal it out. It doesn’t mean you have to phone up a black person and vote how they tell you. Obviously. Those are silly strawmen, but right in line with Doc’s “reasoning.” And denying reality doesn’t make you more virtuous or moderate.

At some point you and Cam need to come to terms with you both agreeing on a few issues but by ignoring that, the conversation is stalled out.

You both appear to agree there is racial bias present and at work in the Country.

You both seem to agree that the solution is not to give other people a turn at oppressing the oppressors so to speak. There is no solution that doesn't turn into outright civil war that is built on the idea men are the problem, period; or white people are the problem, period; or rural people are the problem, period; or whatever other idea is out there that one hears on the extreme websites fighting patriarchy with some other -archy.

So, if the issue isn't needing to acknowledge racial bias, and it isn't that the solution space consists of send people to the back of line in reverse order of whatever privilege they may have, maybe the discussion could be forwarded by starting there instead of retreading the other stuff?

[_EAllusion]

This is my source:

https://politics.myajc.com/news/state-- ... 6yblbB68M/

And since we're on the topic of preventing Blacks from voting:

https://politics.myajc.com/news/local-g ... wCjSc1U0I/

342,000 new minority voters were registered recently. But, yeah. Them evil Conservatives are totes preventing minorities from voting.


- Doc

The first article you linked refers to more sweeping polling location shut downs than the county story it is about, had nothing to due with current news I was referencing, and specifically links material on dubious registration purges and denials of disproportionately black voters that have been a feature of the state at least since the Supreme Court gutted the preclearance provisions of the Voting Rights Act.

Calling other liars while constantly being disingenuous isn’t ok even if you imagine yourself to be trolling or whatever.

[_honorentheos]

This is my source:

https://politics.myajc.com/news/state-- ... 6yblbB68M/

- Doc

Here's what you said -

It took two seconds to google the issue. 3 out of 8 were in majority black precincts, one was closed because no one showed up, and the other was moved because of fear of black on black violence. Most people aren't even voting at polling stations now. EAllusion crapping out this kind of lying and disingenous nonsense that infects our Party is exactly the problem, and good people like Canpakes gobbles it up. It takes an inordinate amount of time to fact check and counter these lies, and when yoh do people like EAllusion are onto the next one. Basically he and his ilk are Leftist Trump's.

This is the game, and this is why bridging the divide will never happen.

- Doc

Here's what your source said regarding, "3 out of 8 were in majority black precincts, one was closed because no one showed up, and the other was moved because of fear of black on black violence."

Dozens of polling places have closed, consolidated or moved across Georgia since the last presidential election, worrying some voter advocates over how that might affect turnout heading into this year’s contest.

Maybe by reading an entire article in 2 seconds you conflated it with the discussion on one particular county where the number 8 showed up?

In Macon-Bibb County, several of the eight polling locations closed since last year were in majority-black communities — a point exacerbated by the attempt to use the Sheriff’s Office building as a polling site. Local election officials cited concerns over violence in proposing the move, but Westbrooks — who used to live in the community near Memorial Gym and is now president of the Macon-Bibb NAACP chapter — said it sent “the wrong message” among residents who had raised concerns about local law enforcement in recent years.

The voting precinct has since been relocated twice and will now be placed permanently at a church.

Macon-Bibb County Elections Officer Tom Gillon said the closures were based on budget cuts, stemming from the merger two years ago of what had been separate city and county governments. The county has dropped from 40 to 32 polling locations.

Or maybe not.

Local officials say the closures are money-savers and more efficient, especially at a time when there is increased access to early voting. Some voter activists, however, fear it is a tactic to limit voting access, especially for the state’s minorities.

Proposals to close voting precincts in counties including Macon-Bibb, Hancock and Upson have all raised the ire of activists. Other counties have considered changes but either haven’t acted on them or have passed on the idea.

“There were many factors that influenced our decision, but none of them had anything to do with race or making it more difficult for anyone to vote,” said Robert Haney, the chairman of the Upson County Board of Elections, which cut its polling sites from nine to four. Haney said reasons for the cuts included security and a struggle to find qualified poll workers.

The estimated savings, he said, would be between $15,000 and $20,000. And the use of early voting in Upson, he said, meant about half of voters normally cast ballots before Election Day, anyway. “That factored greatly into our decision,” Haney said.

Turns out the issue is not what you claimed, much of the rational being cited is based on "cost savings", and as mentioned in the ACLU complaint it's suspicious as “F” that this is happening with an election weeks away where a black candidate could become the first female black governor.

So, what's up with that Cam?

[_EAllusion]

County officials are/were denying racial oppression motives. They are saying it is about ADA compliance. Because shutting down 75% if polling locations is a great way to comply with the spirit of the ADA. Of course, suppressing the vote on the basis of race is illegal in addition to immoral, so it would be weird to say that’s what they are doing. People don’t usually admit to an illegal conspiracy especially when it can be shut down by the courts if they act quickly enough. But you can examine how plausible the ADA compliance story is. And it’s pretty darn risible.

[_honorentheos]

342,000 new minority voters were registered recently. But, yeah. Them evil Conservatives are totes preventing minorities from voting.

I wanted to keep this separate. But do you really think of this as a zero-sum game where throwing out road blocks regarding one of the most basic rights in a democracy - voting - is something to take lightly because registrations among minority voters is also up?

That's screwed up, Cam. At a real, deep level.

[_EAllusion]

So, what's up with that Cam?

He packs in a lot there, but notice the article refers to officials justifying a move out of concern for violence. Doc doesn’t just take that on faith, but changes the claim to “fear of black on black violence.”

That’s called telling on yourself.

[Guest]

342,000 new minority voters were registered recently. But, yeah. Them evil Conservatives are totes preventing minorities from voting.

I wanted to keep this separate. But do you really think of this as a zero-sum game where throwing out road blocks regarding one of the most basic rights in a democracy - voting - is something to take lightly because registrations among minority voters is also up?

That's screwed up, Cam. At a real, deep level.

How are they throwing up road blocks? 342,000 new voters were registered. Let me ask you this. Were any polling stations closed or moved in white areas?

- Doc

ps- I recall Democrats getting hundreds of thousands of military votes tossed in a past Presidential election, so don't come at me with that victim routine, brah.

[Guest]

It took two seconds to google the issue. 3 out of 8 were in majority black precincts, one was closed because no one showed up, and the other was moved because of fear of black on black violence. Most people aren't even voting at polling stations now. EA crapping out this kind of lying and disingenous nonsense that infects our Party is exactly the problem, and good people like Canpakes gobbles it up. It takes an inordinate amount of time to fact check and counter these lies, and when yoh do people like EA are onto the next one. Basically he and his ilk are Leftist Trump's.

This is the game, and this is why bridging the divide will never happen.

To be fair to EA's original post, the matter of closing polling places is only one of several issues mentioned.

I didn't see a reference for the claim about one or more polling places being shut down because "no one showed up". This seems to be a bad precedent, shutting down locations based upon attendance during one unspecified election cycle (local election, or national? Primary, or general? Did the weather suck? etc.), especially given the relative importance of the one this November.

As well, the claim about the need to shut some locations down due to failure to meet ADA compliance sounds suspiciously convenient to an unspecified agenda, while allowing plausible deniability of bad intent. Here, Ceeboo has the correct idea - temporary modifications can make 'non-compliant' locations meet requirements. See the following guide, first few pages:

https://www.ada.gov/votingchecklist.pdf

And if these locations were deemed non-salvageable (strange, given that they've presumably served the public until this point), then were alternate or replacement locations specified? Or is the authority that is shutting them down content simply to let the public once served by those locations to have to go much farther to seek out a place to vote?

These are the sorts of actions that need to be carefully examined for validity and intent. It's not enough to simply accept these sorts of action and the reasons given for doing so at face value, without appropriate follow through and implementation of alternatives that ensure the ability of all Americans to exercise their right to vote.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

So, what's up with that Cam?

He packs in a lot there, but notice the article refers to officials justifying a move out of concern for violence. Doc doesn’t just take that on faith, but changes the claim to “fear of black on black violence.”

That’s called telling on yourself.

It's in a black precinct you daft clown, and over 90% of violence committed against blacks are by blacks. Seriously. What's wrong with you? Why do you choose to be such a cynical liar using minorities for your own purposes?

- Doc