A taste of Prager U

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honorentheos wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Ok, buddy.

http://sos.ga.gov/admin/files/absentee_ballot_app.pdf

- Doc

It really does seem like you are cool with voter suppression of minorities. Care to confirm?


Why do you beat your wife?

And.

How many polling stations have been closed across Georgia and where are they all located? And how many have been opened? How many are there in total. Go ahead. Give it an answer instead of making up BS, throwing in some retarded article with an incomplete data set, and then passing it off like EA isn't just whipping his nonsense out of his ass like he does.

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Y'all, as they say in the South ...


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Re: A taste of Prager U

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:How many polling stations have been closed across Georgia and where are they all located? And how many have been opened? How many are there in total. Go ahead. Give it an answer instead of making up ____, throwing in some r____ article with an incomplete data set, and then passing it off like EAllusion isn't just whipping his nonsense out of his ass like he does.

- Doc
Nice toss, bro. I'm totally sure that movie trick of throwing rocks into the brush works.

You seem fine with voter suppression of minorities. You are demonstrating this in this thread. It's not, "If you can show me that it's happening I'll care." It's, "Here's some made up reasons I cherry picked from a source I picked out myself and misrepresented to say it's a non-issue." You don't think it's an issue. Got it.

And, third request on that Democrat suppression of the military vote claim.
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honorentheos wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:How many polling stations have been closed across Georgia and where are they all located? And how many have been opened? How many are there in total. Go ahead. Give it an answer instead of making up ____, throwing in some r____ article with an incomplete data set, and then passing it off like EAllusion isn't just whipping his nonsense out of his ass like he does.

- Doc
Nice toss, bro. I'm totally sure that movie trick of throwing rocks into the brush works.

You seem fine with voter suppression of minorities. You are demonstrating this in this thread. It's not, "If you can show me that it's happening I'll care." It's, "Here's some made up reasons I cherry picked from a source I picked out myself and misrepresented to say it's a non-issue." You don't think it's an issue. Got it.

And, third request on that Democrat suppression of the military vote claim.


Ok. You nor EA can provide actual facts to back your points up.

Pathetic, but par for the course.

- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Ok. You nor EAllusion can provide actual facts to back your points up.

Pathetic, but par for the course.

- Doc

The claim that you misrepresented the facts out of a source you cited and then provided? That evidence is all over this thread, Cam.

The claim that Georgia has a systemic issue with voter suppression in the form of closing polling stations primarily serving black majority districts? That was the central focus of the article I cited, you cited, and is...what did you say earlier? A two second google search away from other sources covering at least two years now that one can easily look up? Something like that.

So, yeah. It seems that we are looking at an issue that need not be partisan and is not the sort of thing Dr. Peterson was describing. It's legit concern over attempts to suppress Democrat votes on the part of the Republican majority. And they do this by targeting a racial demographic that votes largely for Democrats. As EA pointed out, the fact a person who is black has to worry about the government trying to steal their vote is the kind of discrimination you and I don't worry about. See all the other stuff in this thread for reference. Ceebs came out against the concept of voter suppression right out of the gate to his credit.

So you can check that box confirming, yeah, you're cool with that if that is indeed your position.

And fourth request on that source supporting the claim that Democrats suppressed the military vote.
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Re: A taste of Prager U

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honorentheos wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:So. How many polling stations have been closed across Georgia and where are they all located?

- Doc
The reason I went back to check your source date was because of the number of articles that came up when looking at Georgia right after the Supreme Court essentially shut down the voters rights act protections that would have forced Georgia to show these moves weren't racially disciminatory. It seems to be a big issue in Georgia for a couple of years now, with everything from cost cutting to facility adequacey issues being cited. The County in your study ultimately did close 7 stations in 2016. Fulton County, where Atlanta is located, backed off of closures in 2017 after it was sued. In that lawsuit it was noted that none of the polling stations proposed for closure were in White-majority precincts.


On the same theme, across the states that were under preclearance with the voting rights act prior to the Shelby decision invalidating that need, approximately 868 polling locations were closed leading into the 2016 election. In the words of the report I linked, counties and states with a history of racial voting discrimination closed polling places on a massive scale. This did not match a national theme, but rather was concentrated in areas historically dominated by segregationism. They were closed because it places a disproportionate burden on likely Democratic voters which specifically hits blacks disproportionately. If you ask individual actors in this systemic issue, they are likely to give different reasons because making it harder to vote on the basis of race is illegal. But much like voter ID laws having a sham justification in preventing near non-existent in-person voter fraud, the real reason for the actions seems patently clear from the pattern of behavior.

There's a whole range of GOP voter suppression policies in various states quite clearly aimed at making Democrats less likely to vote and accomplishing this by targeting racial minorities who are likely to vote Democrat. In my personal favorite example, North Carolina commissioned a study on black voter behavior, discovered that there's a huge surge in early black voting during a particular traditional black church event called "Souls to the Polls" and then banned early voting specifically on a Sunday in which it would occur. This is part of what the NC Supreme Court called targeting African Americans with almost "surgical precision."

That whites as a class aren't especially targeted like this is a form of "white privilege" if you live in the United States. Of course, this benefit occurs on average and its effects are felt by individuals differently. It also isn't the only type of electioneering that occurs. But even if you aren't directly impacted, if you live in an area where this is happening, you wouldn't be wrong to know if you belong to a class that is discriminated against or for.

Right now, the GOP is vastly more interested in preventing voters from going to the polls than Democrats are. In fact, Democrats aren't nearly as good as Republicans at electioneering, and to the extent they engage in it, a lot of their efforts go into expanding franchise through policies like automatic voter registration. I'm certain that part of this is differences in the civic culture of both parties. That said, it probably is also in significant part a coincidence of the fact that it is in the Democrats' interest to see more people vote since they do better among fringe voters, but it doesn't strictly matter why that it is the case. All that matters for purposes of this discussion is that there is a powerful political group successfully targeting racial minorities to make it harder for them to vote because they would prefer that they don't vote.
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Yeah, no crap I saw that with a cursory Google search, too. Answer the damned questions you deceptive son of a bitch.

- Doc
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Re: A taste of Prager U

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Ok, buddy.

http://sos.ga.gov/admin/files/absentee_ballot_app.pdf

- Doc


Yeah, the point is to make it somewhat more challenging or inconvenient to vote, because voters aren't all motivated to vote come hell or high water. This helps you pick off people who would vote if it were easier, but won't make the effort if you burden them enough. This reduces their turnout as a class. This is how Jim Crow voter suppression worked just the same. Poll taxes weren't all that expensive. They were just designed to make the burden higher for poor blacks so people on the edge of voting would skip doing so.

That's the effect of taking away a way people traditionally vote or making that method significantly harder by making it more difficult to get to, more time consuming, and more of a hassle when you get there. It doesn't make it impossible to vote. It just burdens people a little bit more, like a poll tax, so people who aren't super-motivated drop out.

Not everyone understands how to use an absentee ballot and absentee ballot locations, if that's Georgia's system, aren't necessarily easy to get to either. That's the point. Make it somewhat harder for people you don't want to vote to vote, thus reducing that group's turnout relative to what it otherwise would've been.

The application you link actually limits an absentee application to people over 65, the disabled, and military or oversees citizens. It requires filling it out 180 days in advance of the election in which it is filed. If you think that is equally as open as any eligible voter just showing up to some close by building on election day to vote, you're up in the night.
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How many polling stations have been closed across Georgia?

Where are they all located?

How many have been opened?

How many are there in total?

Go ahead, answer the questions you deceptive son of a bitch.

- Doc
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: A taste of Prager U

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:How many polling stations have been closed across Georgia?

Where are they all located?

How many have been opened?

How many are there in total?

Go ahead, answer the questions you deceptive son of a ____.

- Doc


I'll assume that Shades will moderate this personal attack on me, but I think it should be noted that you are the one lying here, and that should be obvious to anyone following the sources.
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