Dr. Peterson's FAIR Conference Talk

[_Morley]

Well, the emails are real folks. Now I have seen examples of them with my own two eyes.

I admit this quite surprises me.

I agree that it's reprehensible.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Well, the emails are real folks. Now I have seen examples of them with my own two eyes.

I dearly hope that no one on this board is doing this. Filling the man’s inbox with childish, vulgar, and insulting emails? No. Get a life. Leave the man alone.

If it is someone here, cut it out. Seriously.

Kish, I agree 100% that if someone is actually sending obscene or vulgar emails to DCP then that's unacceptable.

However, call me skeptical that these emails actually exist. DCP has a long track record of fabrication.

DCP has also gone on record that he has been receiving these "obscene emails" for over 15 years. Assuming DCP is telling the truth (which I highly doubt) his "obscene emails" would pre-date Mormondiscussions.com by several years.

DCP's story about the "obscene emails" just doesn't add up. In addition, DCP's story keeps changing and evolving over time. Finally, DCP has cried wolf so many times in the past that I think it would be prudent to take anything he says with a huge grain of salt.

Just my 2 cents. When dealing with DCP, it's best to remember that those who forget DCP's past dishonesty are doomed to have it repeated again and again. Unfortunately, we are all familar with DCP's past.

[_Kishkumen]

The sample emails I have seen range from last week to 4 years ago. Anyhow, I am not too surprised, unfortunately. The person who wrote these either posts here or is very familiar with this board. I have received a couple of anonymous, poison emails in the past connected to my posting here. I found it unnerving at the time. I can’t imagine what it would be like to receive dozens or hundreds of these things.

So I hope that this person reconsiders what they are doing. We may object to DCP’s apologetic activities, ideas, beliefs, or what have you, but there is a point at which one’s sense of human decency should impose restraint. If whoever this is thinks the man has it coming for some bizarre reason, don’t let your negative judgment of him be your excuse to relax your own morals.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

I like how we've all allowed DCP to play his fake victim card again and completely derail this excellent thread.

I'm confident that nobody on this board would ever post obscene or harrassing emails.

I'm also confident (based on DCP's past history) that DCP is not being forthright or honest about these alleged emails.

Anyways, back to the discussion......

[_Kishkumen]

I like how we've all allowed DCP to play his fake victim card again and completely derail this excellent thread.

I'm confident that nobody on this board would ever post obscene or harrassing emails.

I'm also confident (based on DCP's past history) that DCP is not being forthright or honest about these alleged emails.

Anyways, back to the discussion......

If he spoke about these emails in his presentation, then they are part of the subject of this thread. No one wastes their time writing numerous fake harassment emails to themselves. This suggestion is just absurd. He did not make up the email. Ergo, he was not misrepresenting this in the presentation. In any case, I’ve said what I wanted to say.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Why write an email when you can just publicly be a dick right here? Either way, it'll be read by the intended person.

- Doc

[_Doctor Scratch]

Reverend, your heart is in the right place. I agree with you that these emails should stop, regardless of their origin.

That said, we haven’t seen what you have. Were these screenshots? Cut-and-pastes of text? I tend to think that one of the best means of opposing this would be to expose it in its entirety, rather like what the apologists used to do on SHIELDS. Why not expose this to daylight?

But Everybody Wang Chung has a valid point: Dr. Peterson *has* brazenly lied before: the business about getting paid and the 2nd Watson Letter being two prime examples. And let’s face it: counterfeiting and the production of fake documents has a long history both in Mormonism and in Mopologetics.

And this latest FAIR Conference talk is spectacularly embarrassing—so much so that DCP admitted it! A man of his ego and self-regard admitted publicly that this thing was a disaster. So, yeah: trying to make this go away seems plausible. I am sorry: in a way I feel bad for him, but this really was his own fault. You just can’t roll into a keynote talk like that on zero preparation.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

He’s been at it for 15 years. Fifteen years! I mean every week, most days, I get obscene emails, I suspect from him, most weeks, sometimes three and four. I just don’t get it. It’s been going on for a long time. Anyway, distinctly weird

I do find it interesting that while DCP was busy playing victim at FAIR, he had no problem publicly bearing false witness against Dr. Scratch by accusing him of sending the emails.

DCP has certainly mastered the art of playing the fake victim card while simultaneously bearing false witness against his alleged critics.

Folks, you can't make this stuff up.

[_Gadianton]

I dearly hope that no one on this board is doing this.

Like Everybody Wang Chung, I would be shocked if an active participant on this board is doing this. If I thought for a second that it was one of my primary, scholarly colleagues here, I'd fade out and end my participation. Such a person should understand that even if they don't hold to the same lofty moral values as say, Reverend K., which let's face it, is kind of hard to do, it's not in their own interest or certainly not in the rest of our interests in a purely tactical sense -- sticks and stones and all in exchange for giving an opponent a leg up as a victim and possibly legal ammo against the board or persons on it. Why give that kind of favor?

Now I know some will balk at what I just said and say, look, a person is being harassed, and that's a favor? If a person has an ax to grind against the board or person(s) on the board, and somehow the harassment (which is pretty contained, petty, and juvenile I'm assuming) can be associated with the board or its participants, then absolutely. So much so that i'd give it at least 25% odds that it's an unstable apologist or other person with an ax to grind against the board.

Look at it this way: my reading of his accusation is that this person sending the emails is Doctor Scratch. It seems very obvious that this is what he's saying, and many times over the years, and it's a somewhat believable accusation from an apologist perspective, and so whoever is sending this stuff knows Doctor Scratch is taking the blame for it. So if it is a critic, it doesn't seem like it would be a critic too fond of Scratch. Or perhaps the person just doesn't get it, got carried away and hopefully, perhaps can now see that at the end of the day, is only helping the Mopologists in the long run, and not us.

(and for the record, yes, I know what it's like to be harassed, I had to sell my house and move last year thanks to a particularly persistent low life so I'm not like I can't empathize).

[_I have a question]

Well, the emails are real folks. Now I have seen examples of them with my own two eyes.

I dearly hope that no one on this board is doing this. Filling the man’s inbox with childish, vulgar, and insulting emails? No. Get a life. Leave the man alone.

If it is someone here, cut it out. Seriously.

Have you considered the possibility he’s sending them to himself?