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Rosebud wrote:
Res.... I chose the word sickened because you used the word referring to your reaction to reading about Barbara Snow's interrogations in the dissenting opinion. Am I remembering incorrectly?

If it's a straw man and you're more sickened by the possibility that this might be accurate, I apologize. It was earlier on in the thread, If I recall correctly, that you said there was an equal likelihood of this being true and the church being true. That means zero. And that means that what Snow did was the most sickening thing.

I acknowledge that I am sickened by people being more sickened by an argument in a dissenting opinion that selected certain parts of testimony and trial to make an argument that a therapist caused these problems while simultaneously quoting the therapist herself stating that it wasn't her role to be an investigator.

It wasn't. It was her job to be an advocate. I'm not trying to claim she was perfect. I have no idea. But I do believe she really believed what she was hearing and was trying her best.

People need to stop blaming the therapists. The ones who try to help children and adults with these reports are the good guys, not the bad guys. She doesn't have to be perfect.

And I'm pretty dang sure she never feeds children feces, too.

And for crying out loud, doctors performed physical examinations of the kids to prove they were sexually abused. That's so hard on the doctors. They have to try to figure out how to help kids understand that what they're doing is different than "marriage lessons" while the know the children won't ever really understand. The kids are terrified. It's awful for the professionals who try to help. And then they get dragged through the mud.

Okay. So, you will continue to grossly minimize Snow's role in this, without offering any support for your position, other than to inaccurately describe anyone who disagrees as being part of some extreme, stereotypical group that refuses to believe abuse exists. And you have evidence but you won't provide it until something "plays out." Got it.
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Mary wrote:I've read through Marion Smith's account and the Suit .

I can't find any reference to Satanism or Satanic ritual in either.

Perhaps Cinepro, Rep Ipsa or Lemmie can help out?

I don't have access to Paper Dolls or Riptide. Maybe I am missing something. Lehi, a different matter.

To what end Mary? In my opinion there is a great deal of evidence that has already been posted and ignored, but you want people to hunt up uses of a word.

Something was posted on a similar thread on the other board that seems ideally applicable here:
You ignore the entirety of my post to pick out one clause with which you disagree, which was phrased merely as a possibility anyway. No offense, but I could understand why someone might think it's completely exhausting (and perhaps futile) to try to dialogue with you.
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Also, Mary, it's possible that no official charges of Satanism were made in Bountiful because people making the charges had figured out after Lehi that the "Satanic" aspect of it was overkill.... not because they believed it was a different kind of crime. If the press made the connection to allegations of Satanism in Bountiful, they may not have made it erroneously.
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Mary, the timeline looks so good. It is really helping me get my head around the details.

I saw this:

1986 March/April, - According to Marion Smith, Bountiful (police) had ‘virtually’ dismissed the case against perpetrator because neither of her daughters were going to allow the children to testify. They had been concerned by the suffering of the children in the Lehi trial. (My note, there is a contradiction here in dating because the Hadfield trial didn't begin until 1987)


1986 December, – A Utah jury convicts Brett Bullock of 3 counts child abuse, 3 count s*d*my. Feature of defence was concentration on Barbara Snow's methods. [ https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-10th-cir ... 60586.html ]


1988 December 16th, - Deseret News Article, JoAnn Jacobsen-Wells, “RELIEF, ANGER GREET END OF LEHI SEX-ABUSE PROBE”, ‘Many Lehi residents expressed relief Friday over news that the Utah attorney general's office is dropping a long-term investigation of alleged widespread child sexual abuse in a Lehi neighborhood. Others, who believe that their children were abused, expressed frustration and anger at the announcement this week.’ ...
‘Whitehead said that because these trials are so difficult to go through, as evidence by reactions by the Hadfield children (who became physically ill when testifying against their father during the trial), I am pleased that the state requires a very high standard of proof before they embark on a full-scale trial."’..
‘Prosecutors said that the troubling issue for the attorney general's office was not in determining that sexual abuse of some children had occurred, but rather in proving beyond any reasonable doubt who committed the abuse."’


Maybe the moms didn't let the kids testify because of the Bullock trial....

Anyway, this document is incredible. Thank you for your work.
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State v. Hadfield
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788 P.2d 506 (1990)

STATE of Utah, Plaintiff and Appellee, v. Alan B. HADFIELD, Defendant and Appellant.

No. 880234.

Supreme Court of Utah.

February 22, 1990.

*507 D. Gilbert Athay, Salt Lake City, for defendant and appellant.

R. Paul Van Dam, Sandra L. Sjogren, Salt Lake City, for plaintiff and appellee.

DURHAM, Justice:

Defendant Alan Hadfield was convicted of four counts of sodomy on a child, first degree felonies, in violation of Utah Code Ann. § 76-5-403.1 (Supp. 1987), and three counts of sexual abuse of a child, second degree felonies, in violation of Utah Code Ann. § 76-5-404.1 (Supp. 1987). Defendant moved for a new trial, claiming that there was newly discovered evidence. After a hearing, the trial court quashed the documents filed in support of the motion for a new trial and denied it. Defendant filed this appeal.

Defendant's two young children testified at trial to various instances of sexual abuse. W. (a boy, born in 1975) and C. (a girl, born in 1977) said that their father had sodomized them, required them to perform acts of oral sex with him, and engaged in other sexual acts on several specific occasions. The other main witness for the prosecution was a therapist who had treated the Hadfield children and to whom the disclosures about defendant were initially made, Barbara Snow. Dr. Snow, who holds a Ph.D. in social work, testified at length about her treatment of the Hadfield children and her involvement with the Hadfield parents and others in their Lehi neighborhood whose children were being evaluated and treated for suspected sexual abuse. Dr. Snow was extensively cross-examined about her interviewing and treatment techniques.

Although defendant purports to challenge his convictions directly on appeal, his arguments for reversal in this appeal depend on his motion for a new trial. Appellate counsel suggested at oral argument in this matter that Barbara Snow's testimony had been so discredited as to require exclusion. < - What. The. “F”. We are unable, however, to see how such exclusion could have helped defendant with the jury in view of the testimony of the children themselves. The key to the defense at trial was to undermine the credibility of the children's stories by identifying Barbara Snow as the source and explanation for them. Defendant had to convince the jury either that the children were deliberately making false statements or that they wrongfully believed in the truth of what they said. His trial strategy was to demonstrate that Barbara Snow was an overzealous, unorthodox, aggressive "crusader," *508 who was willing to and did use subtle coercion and coaching to get her child patients to document a bizarre collection of sexually abberrant behaviors affecting an entire neighborhood. To this end, the testimony of Barbara Snow was essential to the defense and was put to good use by defendant's trial counsel and by defendant's expert medical witness. The medical witness, Dr. Stephen Golding, strongly and effectively criticized Dr. Snow's methods. He opined, for example, that the testimony of W. and C. had been irretrievably contaminated by the suggestive and coercive nature of Dr. Snow's techniques and was highly unreliable as a result. Defendant's strategy of undermining the believability of the children by attacking the practices of Barbara Snow was ultimately unsuccessful with the jury, but it does not appear that he had any other options.

For the foregoing reasons, the issue of new evidence relating to Barbara Snow's role in the allegations of the children in her treatment, including W. and C., is a critical one. The claimed new evidence includes (1) a doctoral thesis in which Barbara Snow discussed the use of authority and punishment to modify patient behavior, (2) testimony that she used this technique to modify the responses of her child patients to questions about sexual abuse, (3) testimony from law enforcement personnel that false information deliberately "fed" by them to Barbara Snow in their investigatory work promptly appeared in the statements of children she interviewed, and (4) a highly suspicious correlation between the factual patterns revealed in at least four child sex abuse investigations in which Barbara Snow was involved. The first three categories of "new" evidence are problematic for various reasons. The doctoral thesis was written long before the trial of this case and was therefore at least theoretically available to the defense.[1] With respect to the second and third categories of "new" evidence, we conclude that the State is correct in characterizing them as cumulative rather than new. Defendant offered several witnesses at trial who described the suggestive and coercive interviewing techniques allegedly utilized by Dr. Snow and one police officer who described how the children in Dr. Snow's care were able to reproduce specific information after he had suggested to Dr. Snow that such information should be present in their statements. Additional testimony about these matters might enhance defendant's chances for acquittal, but standing alone, would not qualify as newly discovered evidence warranting a new trial.

We are more concerned, however, about the last category of claimed evidence. As discussed above, defendant's only chance at this trial was to convince the jury that he did not do what his children said he did, which in turn required an explanation of why the children would say he had done it if he had not. The defense's logical strategy was to highlight the bizarre and unusual things said by the Hadfield children and by numerous other neighborhood children to their therapist Barbara Snow and to establish Barbara Snow as the likely source of accusations against defendant. In that regard, it is important to note that the record contains considerable testimony about the investigations and therapy conducted by Barbara Snow and the police in the Hadfields' immediate neighborhood for nearly a year prior to the time defendant was named as a perpetrator. Defendant himself, along with his wife, had initiated treatment of his children by Barbara Snow because of allegations by other neighborhood children about widespread sexual molestation. Eventually, in Barbara Snow's interviews with the Hadfield children and others, a total of at least fifteen adults and fifteen children were identified as participants in various unusual sexual activities, including instances of group abuse of children by adults. The activities described by the children involved *509 Satanic ritual, costumes and masks, photography equipment, men dressing in women's clothing, and frequent episodes of playing with and consuming human excrement. A specific instance of abuse related to Dr. Snow by W. and described by her at trial, for example, involved defendant's removing feces from W.'s rectum with a spoon and forcing him to play with it.

The trial court quashed an affidavit filed by defendant in support of his motion for a new trial and declined to permit defendant an opportunity to produce evidence relating to its allegations. The affidavit had been prepared by a "paralegal/investigator" who had investigated "four separate alleged child abuse cases in which Barbara Snow or an employee of ISAT [Intermountain Sexual Abuse Center] was or is a percipient witness." The affidavit details the following bizarre factual correlations between those cases and the case resulting in defendant's trial: (1) they all involve a neighborhood "sex ring" of from three to twenty families; (2) they all involve members of the same church, including a significant number of religious leaders; (3) they all involve Satanic rituals and neighborhood "sex parties"; and (4) in all of the cases, children taken to Barbara Snow at ISAT for counselling have in turn identified other children and adults in the neighborhood. In addition, the affidavit claims that several nearly identical allegations exist in several of these cases. Three of the cases allegedly include prominent reference to playing with, consuming, and bathing in human excrement. Pictures drawn by some of the children in treatment with Barbara Snow in two of the cases are claimed to be identical. Men dressing in women's clothing and the use of costumes and masks were described by children in two of the cases. In three cases, the children described large groups of adults congregating for the purpose of touching naked children and referred to the use of candles and pentagrams for Satanic rituals. The affidavit further alleges that no known connection exists between any of the cases except for the involvement of Barbara Snow and ISAT in the investigations and the inability of law enforcement to discover any corroborating evidence of the group activities (such as photographs, paraphernalia, etc.).

The State moved to quash the affidavit on the ground that the foregoing information would be inadmissible in a trial of defendant because it is not relevant to the charges against him and because "it would have complicated the trial beyond permissible bounds." The State also challenged numerous statements in the affidavit as lacking foundation and constituting hearsay. The foundational objections to the affidavit may be well-taken in some instances, but defendant was, in our view, entitled to the opportunity to present evidence to substantiate its claims, assuming he could establish adequate foundation and avoid hearsay problems.

The State's claims that the proffered evidence would be irrelevant to defendant's defense and must be excluded because it would impossibly complicate a new trial appear to us to be somewhat disingenuous. The jury in this case was confronted with a strange and troubling scenario. If the children were not telling the truth, what possible reason could there be for them to fabricate such bizarre information? On the other hand, if they were telling the truth about defendant, presumably they were telling the truth about the neighborhood activities as well. The jury here apparently opted to accept the latter alternative. If the jury had been informed that the astonishing constellation of perversions and abuses described by the Hadfield children in Lehi also occurred, in highly similar detail, in three other unrelated locales, might they not have decided that the first alternative was the less shocking and more believable, particularly if persuaded that Barbara Snow was the common denominator? That is, in any event, defendant's theory. The State is concerned because it will have to counter defendant's theory with proof that an alternative theory (namely, that the described abuse actually occurred in all of the cases) explains the coincidence. It also claims that some of the information it would be required to use in that effort is "privileged." We know of no principle of law limiting a defendant's exploration of *510 facts in his defense because the State refuses or is unable to adduce other facts in rebuttal.

Defendant has been convicted of seven felonies involving crimes of the most terrible and reprehensible nature. It is essential that those convictions be supported by an unimpeachably fair and even-handed process. Defendant's allegations about new evidence relating to the credibility of Barbara Snow and the children on his motion for a new trial were adequate to create the need for an evidentiary hearing and the creation of a record upon which this Court could review the ruling on that motion. We therefore vacate the trial court's denial of the motion for a new trial and remand this case for an evidentiary hearing on that motion, including of course the question of whether defendant's proffered evidence may properly be regarded as newly discovered. Defendant, of course, will be required to comply with the Utah Rules of Evidence in his offers of evidence. Because of the continuing pendency of that motion in light of this holding, we do not address further any of defendant's challenges to the underlying convictions.

HOWE, Associate C.J., and DAVIDSON, Court of Appeals Judge, concur.

HALL, Chief Justice (dissenting):

I dissent because I am not persuaded that the Court abused its discretion in denying defendant's motion for a new trial. As was observed in State v. Harris,[1]

The denial of [a motion for a new trial on the ground of newly discovered evidence] will be deemed an abuse of discretion only in such instances where there is a grave suspicion that justice may have been miscarried because of the lack of enlightenment on a vital point, which the new evidence will supply; and the other elements attendant on obtaining a new trial on the ground of newly discovered evidence are present. If there be evidence before the court upon which reasonable [persons] might differ as to whether or not the defendant is guilty, the trial court may deny a motion for a new trial.
The evidence defendant sought to introduce in support of his motion for a new trial was not in fact newly discovered evidence.[2] Rather, it was cumulative, irrelevant, or inadmissible.[3] It was therefore insufficient to support his motion.[4]

ZIMMERMAN, J., concurs in the dissenting opinion of HALL, C.J.

STEWART, J., does not participate herein; DAVIDSON, Court of Appeals Judge, sat.

NOTES
[1] We note, however, that when asked at trial whether she had written a doctoral thesis, Dr. Snow responded by saying that she had written a "master's thesis" (on a different topic) and did not mention the essay in question. We cannot tell from the record whether there was simply a misunderstanding between defense counsel and Dr. Snow or whether she intended that he not become aware of the subject of her doctoral research.

[1] 30 Utah 2d 77, 80, 513 P.2d 438, 439-40 (Utah 1973).

[2] State v. Williams, 712 P.2d 220 (Utah 1985).

[3] State v. Gellatly, 22 Utah 2d 149, 449 P.2d 993 (Utah 1969).

[4] See supra note 1.


That woman, Ms. Snow (I ain't callin' her 'doctor' any more), is damned evil.

- Doc
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Also, you quote this from the 1995 AG report:

...What hasn’t been corroborated is the multitude of reports by abuse “survivors” claiming to have been party to human sacrifices, sexual abuse of young children, torture, and other atrocities committed by well-organized groups which pervade every level of government, every social status and every state in the country.


I do a lot of technical writing in which every word and sentence are carefully considered. I assume it would have been the same for whomever wrote this report. When I read the report a couple weeks ago, I thought I saw another sentence after this paragraph which -really struck me- because I was thinking about why the writers may have chosen the words they did. If I'm recalling correctly, that next sentence may have been chosen by the authors for a reason after they did all the investigating and listening.

But it also diminishes the credibility of the report.... or maybe not.... I was not an investigator who listened to everything they listened to.

Am I recalling incorrectly? The next sentence is something about the fact that there was no evidence does not mean that the reports are false.

Anyway, I need to get back to my computer to look. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. If I'm not, the next sentence would be important.
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The thoughts about their choices of words were what got me thinking about how much better it'd be to have their actual notes from the investigation. That's what got me looking for the rules about requesting documents from the AG office amd to find that 1993-1995 the documentation should be available to the public.

But then there was no date on the report itself which seemed weird. Dates are almost never omitted. I should go back to look. I must have missed something.

If I understand correctly, documents before 1992 wouldn't be available to the public, even with a request.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:https://law.justia.com/cases/utah/supreme-court/1990/880234.html

State v. Hadfield
Annotate this Case
788 P.2d 506 (1990)

STATE of Utah, Plaintiff and Appellee, v. Alan B. HADFIELD, Defendant and Appellant.

No. 880234.

Supreme Court of Utah.

February 22, 1990.

*507 D. Gilbert Athay, Salt Lake City, for defendant and appellant.

R. Paul Van Dam, Sandra L. Sjogren, Salt Lake City, for plaintiff and appellee.

DURHAM, Justice:

Defendant Alan Hadfield was convicted of four counts of sodomy on a child, first degree felonies, in violation of Utah Code Ann. § 76-5-403.1 (Supp. 1987), and three counts of sexual abuse of a child, second degree felonies, in violation of Utah Code Ann. § 76-5-404.1 (Supp. 1987). Defendant moved for a new trial, claiming that there was newly discovered evidence. After a hearing, the trial court quashed the documents filed in support of the motion for a new trial and denied it. Defendant filed this appeal.

Defendant's two young children testified at trial to various instances of sexual abuse. W. (a boy, born in 1975) and C. (a girl, born in 1977) said that their father had sodomized them, required them to perform acts of oral sex with him, and engaged in other sexual acts on several specific occasions. The other main witness for the prosecution was a therapist who had treated the Hadfield children and to whom the disclosures about defendant were initially made, Barbara Snow. Dr. Snow, who holds a Ph.D. in social work, testified at length about her treatment of the Hadfield children and her involvement with the Hadfield parents and others in their Lehi neighborhood whose children were being evaluated and treated for suspected sexual abuse. Dr. Snow was extensively cross-examined about her interviewing and treatment techniques.

Although defendant purports to challenge his convictions directly on appeal, his arguments for reversal in this appeal depend on his motion for a new trial. Appellate counsel suggested at oral argument in this matter that Barbara Snow's testimony had been so discredited as to require exclusion. < - What. The. ____. We are unable, however, to see how such exclusion could have helped defendant with the jury in view of the testimony of the children themselves. The key to the defense at trial was to undermine the credibility of the children's stories by identifying Barbara Snow as the source and explanation for them. Defendant had to convince the jury either that the children were deliberately making false statements or that they wrongfully believed in the truth of what they said. His trial strategy was to demonstrate that Barbara Snow was an overzealous, unorthodox, aggressive "crusader," *508 who was willing to and did use subtle coercion and coaching to get her child patients to document a bizarre collection of sexually abberrant behaviors affecting an entire neighborhood. To this end, the testimony of Barbara Snow was essential to the defense and was put to good use by defendant's trial counsel and by defendant's expert medical witness. The medical witness, Dr. Stephen Golding, strongly and effectively criticized Dr. Snow's methods. He opined, for example, that the testimony of W. and C. had been irretrievably contaminated by the suggestive and coercive nature of Dr. Snow's techniques and was highly unreliable as a result. Defendant's strategy of undermining the believability of the children by attacking the practices of Barbara Snow was ultimately unsuccessful with the jury, but it does not appear that he had any other options.

For the foregoing reasons, the issue of new evidence relating to Barbara Snow's role in the allegations of the children in her treatment, including W. and C., is a critical one. The claimed new evidence includes (1) a doctoral thesis in which Barbara Snow discussed the use of authority and punishment to modify patient behavior, (2) testimony that she used this technique to modify the responses of her child patients to questions about sexual abuse, (3) testimony from law enforcement personnel that false information deliberately "fed" by them to Barbara Snow in their investigatory work promptly appeared in the statements of children she interviewed, and (4) a highly suspicious correlation between the factual patterns revealed in at least four child sex abuse investigations in which Barbara Snow was involved. The first three categories of "new" evidence are problematic for various reasons. The doctoral thesis was written long before the trial of this case and was therefore at least theoretically available to the defense.[1] With respect to the second and third categories of "new" evidence, we conclude that the State is correct in characterizing them as cumulative rather than new. Defendant offered several witnesses at trial who described the suggestive and coercive interviewing techniques allegedly utilized by Dr. Snow and one police officer who described how the children in Dr. Snow's care were able to reproduce specific information after he had suggested to Dr. Snow that such information should be present in their statements. Additional testimony about these matters might enhance defendant's chances for acquittal, but standing alone, would not qualify as newly discovered evidence warranting a new trial.

We are more concerned, however, about the last category of claimed evidence. As discussed above, defendant's only chance at this trial was to convince the jury that he did not do what his children said he did, which in turn required an explanation of why the children would say he had done it if he had not. The defense's logical strategy was to highlight the bizarre and unusual things said by the Hadfield children and by numerous other neighborhood children to their therapist Barbara Snow and to establish Barbara Snow as the likely source of accusations against defendant. In that regard, it is important to note that the record contains considerable testimony about the investigations and therapy conducted by Barbara Snow and the police in the Hadfields' immediate neighborhood for nearly a year prior to the time defendant was named as a perpetrator. Defendant himself, along with his wife, had initiated treatment of his children by Barbara Snow because of allegations by other neighborhood children about widespread sexual molestation. Eventually, in Barbara Snow's interviews with the Hadfield children and others, a total of at least fifteen adults and fifteen children were identified as participants in various unusual sexual activities, including instances of group abuse of children by adults. The activities described by the children involved *509 Satanic ritual, costumes and masks, photography equipment, men dressing in women's clothing, and frequent episodes of playing with and consuming human excrement. A specific instance of abuse related to Dr. Snow by W. and described by her at trial, for example, involved defendant's removing feces from W.'s rectum with a spoon and forcing him to play with it.

The trial court quashed an affidavit filed by defendant in support of his motion for a new trial and declined to permit defendant an opportunity to produce evidence relating to its allegations. The affidavit had been prepared by a "paralegal/investigator" who had investigated "four separate alleged child abuse cases in which Barbara Snow or an employee of ISAT [Intermountain Sexual Abuse Center] was or is a percipient witness." The affidavit details the following bizarre factual correlations between those cases and the case resulting in defendant's trial: (1) they all involve a neighborhood "sex ring" of from three to twenty families; (2) they all involve members of the same church, including a significant number of religious leaders; (3) they all involve Satanic rituals and neighborhood "sex parties"; and (4) in all of the cases, children taken to Barbara Snow at ISAT for counselling have in turn identified other children and adults in the neighborhood. In addition, the affidavit claims that several nearly identical allegations exist in several of these cases. Three of the cases allegedly include prominent reference to playing with, consuming, and bathing in human excrement. Pictures drawn by some of the children in treatment with Barbara Snow in two of the cases are claimed to be identical. Men dressing in women's clothing and the use of costumes and masks were described by children in two of the cases. In three cases, the children described large groups of adults congregating for the purpose of touching naked children and referred to the use of candles and pentagrams for Satanic rituals. The affidavit further alleges that no known connection exists between any of the cases except for the involvement of Barbara Snow and ISAT in the investigations and the inability of law enforcement to discover any corroborating evidence of the group activities (such as photographs, paraphernalia, etc.).

The State moved to quash the affidavit on the ground that the foregoing information would be inadmissible in a trial of defendant because it is not relevant to the charges against him and because "it would have complicated the trial beyond permissible bounds." The State also challenged numerous statements in the affidavit as lacking foundation and constituting hearsay. The foundational objections to the affidavit may be well-taken in some instances, but defendant was, in our view, entitled to the opportunity to present evidence to substantiate its claims, assuming he could establish adequate foundation and avoid hearsay problems.

The State's claims that the proffered evidence would be irrelevant to defendant's defense and must be excluded because it would impossibly complicate a new trial appear to us to be somewhat disingenuous. The jury in this case was confronted with a strange and troubling scenario. If the children were not telling the truth, what possible reason could there be for them to fabricate such bizarre information? On the other hand, if they were telling the truth about defendant, presumably they were telling the truth about the neighborhood activities as well. The jury here apparently opted to accept the latter alternative. If the jury had been informed that the astonishing constellation of perversions and abuses described by the Hadfield children in Lehi also occurred, in highly similar detail, in three other unrelated locales, might they not have decided that the first alternative was the less shocking and more believable, particularly if persuaded that Barbara Snow was the common denominator? That is, in any event, defendant's theory. The State is concerned because it will have to counter defendant's theory with proof that an alternative theory (namely, that the described abuse actually occurred in all of the cases) explains the coincidence. It also claims that some of the information it would be required to use in that effort is "privileged." We know of no principle of law limiting a defendant's exploration of *510 facts in his defense because the State refuses or is unable to adduce other facts in rebuttal.

Defendant has been convicted of seven felonies involving crimes of the most terrible and reprehensible nature. It is essential that those convictions be supported by an unimpeachably fair and even-handed process. Defendant's allegations about new evidence relating to the credibility of Barbara Snow and the children on his motion for a new trial were adequate to create the need for an evidentiary hearing and the creation of a record upon which this Court could review the ruling on that motion. We therefore vacate the trial court's denial of the motion for a new trial and remand this case for an evidentiary hearing on that motion, including of course the question of whether defendant's proffered evidence may properly be regarded as newly discovered. Defendant, of course, will be required to comply with the Utah Rules of Evidence in his offers of evidence. Because of the continuing pendency of that motion in light of this holding, we do not address further any of defendant's challenges to the underlying convictions.

HOWE, Associate C.J., and DAVIDSON, Court of Appeals Judge, concur.

HALL, Chief Justice (dissenting):

I dissent because I am not persuaded that the Court abused its discretion in denying defendant's motion for a new trial. As was observed in State v. Harris,[1]

The denial of [a motion for a new trial on the ground of newly discovered evidence] will be deemed an abuse of discretion only in such instances where there is a grave suspicion that justice may have been miscarried because of the lack of enlightenment on a vital point, which the new evidence will supply; and the other elements attendant on obtaining a new trial on the ground of newly discovered evidence are present. If there be evidence before the court upon which reasonable [persons] might differ as to whether or not the defendant is guilty, the trial court may deny a motion for a new trial.
The evidence defendant sought to introduce in support of his motion for a new trial was not in fact newly discovered evidence.[2] Rather, it was cumulative, irrelevant, or inadmissible.[3] It was therefore insufficient to support his motion.[4]

ZIMMERMAN, J., concurs in the dissenting opinion of HALL, C.J.

STEWART, J., does not participate herein; DAVIDSON, Court of Appeals Judge, sat.

NOTES
[1] We note, however, that when asked at trial whether she had written a doctoral thesis, Dr. Snow responded by saying that she had written a "master's thesis" (on a different topic) and did not mention the essay in question. We cannot tell from the record whether there was simply a misunderstanding between defense counsel and Dr. Snow or whether she intended that he not become aware of the subject of her doctoral research.

[1] 30 Utah 2d 77, 80, 513 P.2d 438, 439-40 (Utah 1973).

[2] State v.

That woman, Ms. Snow (I ain't callin' her 'doctor' any more), is ____ evil.

- Doc


See Res..... two groups. Who's evil in the eyes of the public: the therapists or the alleged perpetrators?

And who controls what the public thinks? The media.
Chronological List of Relevant Documents, Media Reports and Occurrences with Links regarding the lawsuit alleging President Nelson's daughter and son-in-law are sexual predators.

By our own Mary (with maybe some input from me when I can help). Thank you Mary!

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Re: Nelsons daughter and son-in-law accused of sex abuse

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The first three categories of "new" evidence are problematic for various reasons.
https://law.justia.com/cases/utah/supre ... 80234.html
it's quite interesting that the argument here, in deciding whether to allow a re-trial, is that evidence regarding Snow's inappropriate behavior was nothing new--it was already known!!! That's quite an indictment.
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Re: Nelsons daughter and son-in-law accused of sex abuse

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Rosebud wrote:
Res.... I chose the word sickened because you used the word referring to your reaction to reading about Barbara Snow's interrogations in the dissenting opinion. Am I remembering incorrectly?


You remembered correctly.

Rosebud wrote:If it's a straw man and you're more sickened by the possibility that this might be accurate, I apologize. It was earlier on in the thread, If I recall correctly, that you said there was an equal likelihood of this being true and the church being true. That means zero. And that means that what Snow did was the most sickening thing.


I said the odds of the church being true were the same as a hypothetical scenario you described consisting of a large conspiracy within the LDS church to commit Satanic ritual sex abuse. I don't consider the odds of either to be zero -- but i do consider them to be very, very small. That has zero to do with my opinions about Barbara Snow or how I feel about actual (not hypothetical) child abuse.

Rosebud wrote: acknowledge that I am sickened by people being more sickened by an argument in a dissenting opinion that selected certain parts of testimony and trial to make an argument that a therapist caused these problems while simultaneously quoting the therapist herself stating that it wasn't her role to be an investigator.


Boy you're working hard to disregard what we have of the actual testimony about Snow. The "sickening" parts of the dissenting opinion aren't the judge's argument. -- its the actual testimony about how she pressured and led the children in interviews the failed to document. She was the only factual record available for what went o in those interviews, and she got up in court and testified as a witness to what the children said. Her own testimony shows she had no business testifying about what the children said in those interviews because she admits she wasn't after the truth. But she did anyway. And she put people in jail doing it. Yes, I find that sickening.

Rosebud wrote:It wasn't. It was her job to be an advocate. I'm not trying to claim she was perfect. I have no idea. But I do believe she really believed what she was hearing and was trying her best.


it doesn't matter that she believed she was helping. The road to hell and all that. Being an advocate doesn't excuse what she did in those interviews. She wasn't advocating for the children, anyway. An advocate doesn't push and lead children to claim abuse that never happened. She was advocating for herself -- her personal opinion that widespread rings of Satanic Ritual Abuse was happening within the LDS church in Utah.

Rosebud wrote:People need to stop blaming the therapists. The ones who try to help children and adults with these reports are the good guys, not the bad guys. She doesn't have to be perfect.


No one is blaming "the therapists." We are holding Snow responsible for her conduct. I blame the relatively few therapists who latched onto the SRA scare and damaged the lives of hundreds of people -- patients and falsely accused perps alike.

Rosebud wrote:And I'm pretty dang sure she never feeds children feces, too.


No, but she fed them false memories of abuse. Is feeding a child a false memory of abuse by his parents really that much bette?

Rosebud wrote:And for crying out loud, doctors performed physical examinations of the kids to prove they were sexually abused. That's so hard on the doctors. They have to try to figure out how to help kids understand that what they're doing is different than "marriage lessons" while the know the children won't ever really understand. The kids are terrified. It's awful for the professionals who try to help. And then they get dragged through the mud.
​“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
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