Religious Hate Crime in Pittsburgh: Eight Dead/four wounded

[_Black Moclips]

It should go without saying, but the idea that wealthy Jews are secret puppetmasters controlling the government and they are using that power to bring in dangerous immigrants to sap the nation's purity and therefore its strength is as quintessential anti-Semitism as it gets. It was a significant inspiration of and propaganda for Nazis.

Media outlets trading in this are pouring poison into people's ears and you cannot have a low enough opinion of them. It's already crazy how far this is spread.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, because I am, but what does this have to do with anything? What does this have to do with the attack? Trump thinks a cabal of Jewish masterminds is mind controlling the world? WTF are you talking about?

And what from this Fox segment is problematic? He didn't say anything about "the protocols of the elders of zion" or anything at all like this. That's you. That's lefty conspiracy theorists. All the "zionist" conspiracy theory primary comes from the left, is obsessed with the industrial military complex that revolves around defending Israel, etc., etc.

This guy refers to lefty organizations who are getting money through the state department. That's true, that happens. He uses the phrase "soros occupied state department." Maybe if we find the full clip he elaborates on what he means by that. My interpretation is that he's suggesting groups affiliated with Soros are benefiting from US aid. That doesn't at all sound crazy to me.

I have worked on several projects with DOD that involved DOS and USAID. I can tell you about absurd projects where hundreds of millions in US taxdollars have gone towards objectively idiotic relief or construction efforts which were naïve at best and thinly veiled money laundering operations at worst.

Examples.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/milita ... index.html

https://www.newsweek.com/us-paid-335-mi ... ing-362574

https://www.irinnews.org/news/2018/09/1 ... syria-scam

You guys don't have a clue how the government actually works. Have you seen the movie War Dogs? Please do, it's actually not that far off from reality. It's a fictionalized dramatization of course, but I have personally seen ____ exactly like that so many times. So. Many. Times. These federal contracts are there for anyone to bid on and not hard to win. Often the RFP process is just a formality, those on the government side of the equation already have some "buddy" in mind.

Which, in the case of defense things, could be a defense contractor, a major firm, or something else, or in the case of DOS and USAID could be some activist org. Some friend that they went to school with at Georgetown and now they're in Latin America helping with the latest crisis or whatever. The fed isn't going to just hand money over to some random person. They have protocols. They're with some NGO, which isn't some independent unbiased entity.

What do you think Trump wast talking about when he talked about cutting aid money from these countries if they failed to stop the caravan? Why would he cut those dollars off? Because they are going towards activist groups meddling in American politics. Trump isn't going to fund lefty groups who are opposing his own immigration agenda.

How do you think that said money gets distributed? By our own people. The whole thing is politics and bureaucracy from beginning to end. People lobby. People bid. People win. NGOs get funding. Influence is curried and bought. What the hell do you think Benghazi was? That was a massive DOS ____ up. The DOS sticks its nose all up in other people's business under the guise of "aid." The DOS is tied to the hip with all these lefty groups worldwide. The people in DOS all went to the same ivy league schools as the people running these relief orgs. And let me also state, there is nothing "wrong" with that. This social network can be a very good thing. But it can also be a bad and corrupt thing. It's the same with DOD and the "military industrial complex." There is good, and yeah, there is bad.

I don't care that such and such person working overseas on these relief efforts is a lefty liberal that hates Trump or the second amendment or whatever. Couldn't care less. We need people willing to go overseas and do such work. I'm grateful for their efforts. They have big hearts, they really do. And often put themselves in incredibly dangerous situations to accomplish noble things. I'm happy to continue supporting them. So long as they maintain the professional discipline to keep their politics out of it. No different than what I expect from people in any other part of this rotten equation, in the military, in law enforcement, whatever. I don't want activist FBI agents, either. People are just people, and there are turds everywhere. NGOs tend to attract a lot of them.

Amen, and amen.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Aaaaand there you have it. You'll notice with the responses that the Leftists on this board completely lose their crap when their standards for behavior is mirrored. They talk about a media apparatus that is completely aligned against them, but can't see that Conservatives are constantly under attack and boxed into a tidy little meme for them to attack.

For example:

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/bagley/2 ... oon-whats/

This is a common across the mainstream media, but if one dares suggest the Leftist or Liberal mainstream media outlets target with regularity Conservatives, creating parodies of them and then attacking the parody, they have meltdowns.

If they'd just admit they have the corner on mainstream media outlet-messaging, they'd begin to understand that Fox and all those other websites they hate so much are just Conservatives trying to find their voices, which is NOT happening in the mainstream media. The media division we see is a natural result of boxing out centrist and Conservative voices. This started back in the 70's and continues today.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Amen, and amen.

He's trolling Black Moclips.

What does this Soros conspiracy theory have to to with the person who decided to murder a bunch of Jews because of *checks notes* this Soros conspiracy theory? Absolutely nothing!

You're agreeing with someone being deliberately obtuse.

[_EAllusion]

Aaaaand there you have it. You'll notice with the responses that the Leftists on this board completely lose their ____ when their standards for behavior is mirrored.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Doc, could you please unpack how atheist rhetoric motivates and atheist to shoot up a school full of kids?

I don't know if that's really necessary in the same vein that someone who is religious shoots up a school, airport, or whatever. The point was that Leftists pin violent behavior on the religious convictions of the assaulter, while Leftist ideology is often linked with atheists, so if they commit an atrocity it'd be natural to link their behavior to secularism or godlessness. I'm trying to demonstrate the fallacy of linking alt-right'ism or (((whatever this is))), in context of EA and others saying that Conservative violence is a natural result of religious extremism (especially if it's Evangelical in nature). If you're going to do that you have to take ownership over Leftist extremism by linking (((atheism))) as a driver of anti-social behavior.

Just as Conservatives are going to decry the analogous linking of violence to their ideology, Leftists are going to decry any sort of linking of violence to their own brand of nutjobbery. They're blind to their own rhetoric, ownership of media outlets that constantly berate the Right, and the production of crazies while simultaneously blaming the Right and right-wing media outlets for producing the same.

Just look at a few of the posters here who are incredibly vicious and blind to their own behavior, and when it's mirrored back at them they absolutely lose their minds. It's the oddest thing...

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

If they'd just admit they have the corner on mainstream media outlet-messaging, they'd begin to understand that Fox and all those other websites they hate so much are just Conservatives trying to find their voices, which is NOT happening in the mainstream media. The media division we see is a natural result of boxing out centrist and Conservative voices. This started back in the 70's and continues today.

- Doc

This editorial cartoon definitely demonstrates how conservative voices can't get a foothold in the media. Do go on. For example, do you have a guest list of the Sunday political talk shows on hand at the moment?

[_DoubtingThomas]

They're blind to their own rhetoric, ownership of media outlets that constantly berate the Right,

Dude, why the Hell do you keep defending the Suicide Party?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN1GH39W

I know the "leftists" are crazy, but they are much better than conservatives.

[Guest]

Basically I see what's happening as a long-term corrosion of trust in our institutions. But this isn't just applicable to the US. It happens everywhere, most recently and most noticeably in Venezuela. Democracies are built around institutions that are larger than partisan struggle; they survive on the strength of them. The de-legitimization of national institutions almost inevitably leads to chaos. Absolutely, 100%, Trump’s constant attacks on the FBI, the DoJ, and the judicial system thrusts us toward political collapse just as it happened in Venezuela under Hugo Chávez.

I think the current climate, the political one that's actually based in reality, probably started with Mitch McConnell’s decision to make the appointment of a Supreme Court justice an election issue in 2016 & 2018. It pretty much turned our democracy into a zero-sum game. Once that norm was shattered it became impossible to glue back together.

eta: Actually, now that I posted this I think it probably started with the Bush/Gore decision by the Supreme Court. That was straight up a political decision made by people who were entrusted with being apolitical. So this slow burn really kicked off ~2000.

When Liberals and Leftists play into this through the hateful rhetoric and meme'ing Rightists in the mainstream media, discussion boards, websites, and whatever they basically conceded defeat and are playing this zero-sum game. I wouldn't be surprised if this results in a low-level conflict, a sort of soft civil war, where we see what happened in Pittsburgh repeated AND we see what's not being reported by the mainstream media being repeated (Leftists using violence to exact a political outcome).

Why relatively intelligent posters here don't see what's happening is a complete mystery to me, and I'm left to conclude they're partisans. Which is unfortunate.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

I'm trying to demonstrate the fallacy of linking alt-right'ism or (((whatever this is))), in context of EAllusion and others saying that Conservative violence is a natural result of religious extremism (especially if it's Evangelical in nature).

By all means, quote me saying that.

(P.S. You can't, because you are lying about what I said.)

If you're going to do that you have to take ownership over Leftist extremism by linking (((atheism))) as a driver of anti-social behavior.

You are aware that it doesn't follow that if X causes anti-social behavior, then Y must also do so too, right?

For example, it does not follow from arguing that use of dehumanizing rhetoric and praise of violence towards a disfavored group encourages real violence towards those groups that arguing for a carbon tax regime to prevent global warming also encourages violence towards, um, coal workers.

[_Kevin Graham]

Aaaaand there you have it. You'll notice with the responses that the Leftists on this board completely lose their ____ when their standards for behavior is mirrored. They talk about a media apparatus that is completely aligned against them, but can't see that Conservatives are constantly under attack and boxed into a tidy little meme for them to attack.

For example:

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/bagley/2 ... oon-whats/

This is a common across the mainstream media, but if one dares suggest the Leftist or Liberal mainstream media outlets target with regularity Conservatives, creating parodies of them and then attacking the parody, they have meltdowns.

If they'd just admit they have the corner on mainstream media outlet-messaging, they'd begin to understand that Fox and all those other websites they hate so much are just Conservatives trying to find their voices, which is NOT happening in the mainstream media. The media division we see is a natural result of boxing out centrist and Conservative voices. This started back in the 70's and continues today.

- Doc

Any day now Doc, we're still waiting for a valid parallel.