What I learned today!

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I was listening to Arial America and heard how Tombstone got it's name. I googeled it and found the following.

I had always assumed it had something to do with outlaw violence.

The town that is now Tombstone, Arizona was first a mining camp. Silver miner Ed Schieffelin named the town. In 1877, Mr. Schieffelin was searching for silver in the Arizona territory. The area at the time was extremely dangerous. Apache Indians considered it to be their land and were all too ready to fight for it.

Ed Schieffelin used the army’s Camp Huachuca as a base for his search for silver. The soldiers there once asked him why he went out into Apache country every day. He answered: “To collect rocks.” One soldier then told him: “You keep fooling around out there amongst them Apaches and the only rock you’ll find will be your tombstone!”


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I learned that there is a region of the brain that constructs stories to explain inputs from the senses. There is a second region that filters those stories to select those that are the most consistent with each other and with past memories, etc. If the latter are is damaged, the person will consistently confabulate — express false explanations for what is happening around him while absolutely believing they are true.

Kathryn Schulz, Being Wrong — Adventures in the Margin of Error

I wish this book had been around when I left Mormonism. I had a tough time dealing with the fact that I had been so wrong about something so important in my life.
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Res Ipsa wrote:I learned that there is a region of the brain that constructs stories to explain inputs from the senses. There is a second region that filters those stories to select those that are the most consistent with each other and with past memories, etc. If the latter are is damaged, the person will consistently confabulate — express false explanations for what is happening around him while absolutely believing they are true.

Kathryn Schulz, Being Wrong — Adventures in the Margin of Error

I wish this book had been around when I left Mormonism. I had a tough time dealing with the fact that I had been so wrong about something so important in my life.


Assuming I am reading and understanding this correctly. Questions:

1. When you say that the brain constructs stories are you talking about schema?

2. Were the terms schema or schemata used in the book?

3. Did the book discuss the process of accommodation and assimilation? Because that sounds like what you're describing.

4. What examples can you give me that demonstrate how the brain constructs stories from sensory input? That's the part I'm not quite understanding.

I'm trying to find a way to relate to and understand what you are describing. It may be what I'm already familiar with only stated differently.

Just on a cold read here, I would say that your let's call it deconstruction of Mormonism, had something to do with accomodation and assimilation and that you may have been naturally resistant to accomodating new information regarding the religion. I think that any adult would be resistant to such a process concerning their personally held beliefs particularly those that impact their view of eternity and their presumed eternal destination.

Suddenly, the perception of the world and the role of eternity is turned on it's head. Anyone would be resistant to that.

ETA: Can we do a thread on this? I'll set one up later in the day if you are agreeable.
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Markk wrote:I was listening to Arial America and heard how Tombstone got it's name. I googeled it and found the following.

I had always assumed it had something to do with outlaw violence.

The town that is now Tombstone, Arizona was first a mining camp. Silver miner Ed Schieffelin named the town. In 1877, Mr. Schieffelin was searching for silver in the Arizona territory. The area at the time was extremely dangerous. Apache Indians considered it to be their land and were all too ready to fight for it.

Ed Schieffelin used the army’s Camp Huachuca as a base for his search for silver. The soldiers there once asked him why he went out into Apache country every day. He answered: “To collect rocks.” One soldier then told him: “You keep fooling around out there amongst them Apaches and the only rock you’ll find will be your tombstone!”


https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/t ... 42251.html


This reminds me of what I heard about a tombstone that supposedly actually exists in the old Tombstone cemetary. The inscription reads: "Here lies Les Moore, killed by 4 shots from a 44; no Les no Moore.
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Gunnar wrote:This reminds me of what I heard about a tombstone that supposedly actually exists in the old Tombstone cemetary. The inscription reads: "Here lies Les Moore, killed by 4 shots from a 44; no Les no Moore.

LOL...Whats funny is that the other day I watched Tombstone (Kurt Russell) for the umpteenth time, and as the Earp's were coming in to Tombstone they drove past the cemetery and there is a tombstone that read's that...I wondered if it was true or not, or just a joke of sorts.
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I am on my lunch break from working on my kitchen remodel, and while i was working in my shop I listened to three episodes of Arial America...Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New Mexico. And while I learn so much, one interesting worthless fact is that Henry Heinz first bottled horse radish, and it failed miserably... but he didn't give up and gave ketchup a shot...the rest is history.

Another was a memory jar, when a river in Ohio literally started of fire because it was so contaminated by industrial waste, and helped start the clean water act. I kinda remember it, I was around 12 years old.

https://www.alleghenyfront.org/how-a-bu ... water-act/
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:I learned that there is a region of the brain that constructs stories to explain inputs from the senses. There is a second region that filters those stories to select those that are the most consistent with each other and with past memories, etc. If the latter are is damaged, the person will consistently confabulate — express false explanations for what is happening around him while absolutely believing they are true.

Kathryn Schulz, Being Wrong — Adventures in the Margin of Error

I wish this book had been around when I left Mormonism. I had a tough time dealing with the fact that I had been so wrong about something so important in my life.


Assuming I am reading and understanding this correctly. Questions:

1. When you say that the brain constructs stories are you talking about schema?

2. Were the terms schema or schemata used in the book?

3. Did the book discuss the process of accommodation and assimilation? Because that sounds like what you're describing.

4. What examples can you give me that demonstrate how the brain constructs stories from sensory input? That's the part I'm not quite understanding.

I'm trying to find a way to relate to and understand what you are describing. It may be what I'm already familiar with only stated differently.

Just on a cold read here, I would say that your let's call it deconstruction of Mormonism, had something to do with accomodation and assimilation and that you may have been naturally resistant to accomodating new information regarding the religion. I think that any adult would be resistant to such a process concerning their personally held beliefs particularly those that impact their view of eternity and their presumed eternal destination.

Suddenly, the perception of the world and the role of eternity is turned on it's head. Anyone would be resistant to that.

ETA: Can we do a thread on this? I'll set one up later in the day if you are agreeable.


Sorry, been offline all day. But, yeah, new thread sounds good.
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I learned today, after listing to a advertisement, that if I switched from playing my current golf ball brand to Bridgestone, I can play golf just like Tiger Woods! I am really bummed out that I wasted 45 years stinking up the links when just switching to Bridgestone would make be a pro.

You guys may see me soon on the Sr. Tour.
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I learned that the Salem witch trials were a much bigger CF than I’d ever imagined.
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Res Ipsa wrote:I learned that the Salem witch trials were a much bigger CF than I’d ever imagined.


Link?

My mother had always told me and my siblings that we have a relative that was burned at the stake in Salem. My sister and I were just talking about it, and she is going to go through my grandmothers genealogy records to see if we can find out her name.

Interesting stuff.
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