Masonry - official church statement

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_Amore
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grindael wrote:There is a Hiram in the Bible...

And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre. (Hiram I, 1 Kings 5) But in the footnote they claim it is Hiram Abiff which is ridiculous.

Oh, you’re right. My mistake.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... n=KJV;NKJV

Still, it is a leap to assume Freemasonry as is known today originated in London in the 1700’s, is directly linked to the Middle East anciently.

“Organised Freemasonry, as we know it today, began with the founding of the first Grand Lodge on 24 June 1717 at the Goose and Gridiron Ale House in St Paul’s Churchyard.”
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Amore wrote:Moreover, those in higher degrees of Freemasonry are required to deny Christ.

This isn't true, where are you getting this nonsense?
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Shulem, would you prefer a leather apron as was worn by stone masons or a barbeque apron? I'm guessing that both David Bokovoy and Anubis prefer the barbecue apron.

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moksha,

I had a blast last night watching Mormonboyz.com porn performing mock temple ordinances. That was truly amazing to witness and behold. There is one boy on there that I really like. Scrumptious!

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signal2noise wrote:
Amore wrote:Moreover, those in higher degrees of Freemasonry are required to deny Christ.

This isn't true, where are you getting this nonsense?

Well, for what it's worth, I deny the Christ. I don't want anything to do with blood atonement doctrine and beliefs -- MYTHS! I'm not interested in wasting my energy and faith in some dude that died thousands of years ago. He means nothing to me. I don't believe in animal or human sacrifice or that a God requires a blood atonement in order to forgive or clear sins anymore than I would've my own children.

No thanks to Christian blood. The whole thing is gross to me. I deny it!

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Shulem wrote:Well, for what it's worth, I deny the Christ. I don't want anything to do with blood atonement doctrine and beliefs -- MYTHS! I'm not interested in wasting my energy and faith in some dude that died thousands of years ago. He means nothing to me. I don't believe in animal or human sacrifice or that a God requires a blood atonement in order to forgive or clear sins anymore than I would've my own children.

No thanks to Christian blood. The whole thing is gross to me. I deny it!

:biggrin:

I don't believe in the warped Catholic Jesus - of human sacrifice scapegoating.

But I do believe in Christ as the archetype for all that's good, truth and free speech.
Gnostics (the earliest Christians) saw Christ as a spirit - and indeed, Christ is not Jesus's (or Jeshua's) last name - but what he became and encouraged us to follow and become.

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Signal2Noise,
It's the higher degree Masons which deny Christ...
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