Authoritative LDS Validation of import of 2nd Watson Letter

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Oops. I remember somebody else pointed that out to me years ago. The paper's just been sitting.

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In light of the day of the week correction, what makes you doubt the provenance of the Oct 16, 1990 Watson letter, that was in line with what President Marion G. Romney testified was the location at the October 1975 General Conference?
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Oops. I remember somebody else pointed that out to me years ago. The paper's just been sitting.

I'm not Jesus. Fortunately.


All is forgiven, friend.

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This whole battle over where the fake hill cumorah really was is simply nonsense. On to a fiction model kids. It is the only model that adequately explains everything.
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Does it really matter what the First Presidency wrote in the 1990's? I mean, they can't even accept what Joseph Smith wrote in 1834 (Letter VII) of the Smith/Cowdery History, where they identify Cumorah as being in NY.

Letter VII destroys LGT. It always has, and always will and there is nothing they can do to throw any kind of doubt on it that will stick. That is why they attack anyone who brings it up and have the most silly and ridiculous arguments for why it isn't what it claims to be, the smoking gun for the Hemispheric Model for Book of Mormon geography.
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On the FAIRMORMON page that has to do with this, they write,

In response to a letter "received at the office of the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" in 1912, Charles W. Penrose of the First Presidency wrote:
Question 14: Do you believe that the President of the Church, when speaking to the Church in his official capacity is infallible?
Answer: We do not believe in the infallibility of man. When God reveals anything it is truth, and truth is infallible. No President of the Church has claimed infallibility.


This is simply lawyer talk. Since the "President of the Church" claims to speak for God, then one must take everything he says as God's words when he is speaking in an official capacity. No one is claiming that pillow talk between a prophet and his wife is scripture. This argument is so ridiculous.

Here is how Marion G. Romney put it:

“What we get out of general conference is a build-up of our spirits as we listen to those particular principles and practices of the gospel which the Lord inspires the present leadership of the Church to bring to our attention at the time. He knows why he inspired Brother Joseph F. Merrill to give the talk he just gave. He knows why he inspired the other brethren who have talked in this conference to say what they have said. It is our high privilege to hear, through these men, what the Lord would say if he were here.If we do not agree with what they say, it is because we are out of harmony with the Spirit of the Lord.” (Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, October 1950, p.126)
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grindael wrote:On the FAIRMORMON page that has to do with this, they write,

In response to a letter "received at the office of the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" in 1912, Charles W. Penrose of the First Presidency wrote:
Question 14: Do you believe that the President of the Church, when speaking to the Church in his official capacity is infallible?
Answer: We do not believe in the infallibility of man. When God reveals anything it is truth, and truth is infallible. No President of the Church has claimed infallibility.


This is simply lawyer talk. Since the "President of the Church" claims to speak for God, then one must take everything he says as God's words when he is speaking in an official capacity. No one is claiming that pillow talk between a prophet and his wife is scripture. This argument is so ridiculous.

Here is how Marion G. Romney put it:

“What we get out of general conference is a build-up of our spirits as we listen to those particular principles and practices of the gospel which the Lord inspires the present leadership of the Church to bring to our attention at the time. He knows why he inspired Brother Joseph F. Merrill to give the talk he just gave. He knows why he inspired the other brethren who have talked in this conference to say what they have said. It is our high privilege to hear, through these men, what the Lord would say if he were here.If we do not agree with what they say, it is because we are out of harmony with the Spirit of the Lord.” (Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, October 1950, p.126)

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