The future of this world has long been declared; the final outcome between good and evil is already known. There is absolutely no question as to who wins because the victory has already been posted on the scoreboard. The only really strange thing in all of this is that we are still down here on the field trying to decide which team's jersey we want to wear!
Really??? So predestination has occurred, we only here have a false sense of free agency, thinking we are deciding "which team's jersey we want to wear!" when in fact it has "already been posted on the scoreboard."
Is this life not a real test, but just an exercise in futility to make it so we each come to grips with and accept what our predestined station in the eternal hereafter will be?
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Isaac Asimov
If free agency were a real thing, Joseph Smith wouldn't have claimed an angel with a drawn sword came to him to force him to either start marrying (and having sex with) more women or die.
Free agency was proven a lie by Joseph Smith himself... or Joseph Smith was lying and that makes the whole religion a lie... take your pick.
This is the problem. If god already knows if I were to choose to be lesser than the toppest tier of the toppest celestial lands, then it matters not what I choose to do now. I'm already destined for whatever God already has conceived of happening. The thing is Mormonism would have it that God knows the final outcome of each and every one of us.
Some may say, "well God really knows because its as though he can see the future. He sees the choices you will make which will bring you to your end." Then it is that God has conceived of everything before I ever have the chance to face the options that will be placed before me. Later today I could say to myself, "well, I'm going to frustrate God's plan for me and pick the opposite I normally would pick" But, God already knew I was going to try and frustrate the plan and already knows the outcome of my new choice, in the end. I'm stuck only being able to do that which God already conceived of me doing at any given time.
Yeah..my impression was that we've all just playing God's little game.
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The future of this world has long been declared; the final outcome between good and evil is already known. There is absolutely no question as to who wins because the victory has already been posted on the scoreboard. The only really strange thing in all of this is that we are still down here on the field trying to decide which team's jersey we want to wear!
If Satan can't win what difference does using the term Mormon make?
And if He knows the beginning to the end what will happen, what a boring eternity that must be.
It's almost like this church is run by administrators who have no clue about theodicy.
No wonder that there are "No Diving" signs all around the Mormon theological lake.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
We take strong oaths to help ward off this so-called "free agency". As many TBMs frequently say, "The first principle of the gospel is obedience". Do and think as you are told and you can overcome that free agency.