Should Democrats Impeach?

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_Kevin Graham
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Re: Should Democrats Impeach?

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honorentheos wrote:At this point I think impeachment proceedings wouldn't end before the election was right on top of us. I think Democrats would do well to tell the American people they trust them to determine if they are for selling out the future for ratings, or join a cause that is future focused and willing to roll up it's sleeves to tackle healthcare, climate change, creating a sustainable economy, etc.


Of course they should impeach. That's their job. Oversight and accountability. The message sent here is that it is perfectly OK for a President to be this corrupt without consequences. If you don't impeach someone like Trump then who the “F” DO you impeach? In that case let's just amend the Constitution and get rid of impeachment all together because its so politically inconvenient. Saying "Oh let the people vote him out" is extremely lazy like the American people have to do their jobs for them. The Democrats just took the House and they're not even going to do their basic Constitutional duty of impeachment?

Impeachment proceedings and hearings will not hurt the Democrats because the media will be consumed with it and public hearings involving testimony from those in the Mueller report will get spotlight attention for many months leading up to the election and the public will get to see over and over just how corrupt this President is. How is this going to hurt the Democrats?

This argument that they can't impeach because they have to focus on other things like climate change and the economy is just dumb. You can do it all at the same time. That is what they're elected for.

Now if Trump wins reelection as an unimpeached second term President what is that going to say about Democrats who had their window of opportunity and blew it because, well, impeaching is hard? What the “F” was all this investigating about if they're not willing to act on the results handed to them on a silver platter by Mueller?

Idiots like subs and the FOX News choir are talking about Pelosi being smart for not impeaching because they desperately want the Democrats to NOT IMPEACH. In what universe is this really BAD for Democrats for them to do their Constitutional duty to impeach? And we all know that if the tables were turned the Republicans would have initiated impeachment proceedings before the Mueller report was even completed.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Idiots like subs and the FOX News choir are talking about Pelosi being smart for not impeaching because they desperately want the Democrats to NOT IMPEACH. In what universe is this really BAD for Democrats for them to do their Constitutional duty to impeach? And we all know that if the tables were turned the Republicans would have initiated impeachment proceedings before the Mueller report was even completed.

The strongly apparent fact that the Republicans desperately want the Democrats to NOT IMPEACH is the most convincing part of your argument, I think. One would think that if Republicans thought it likely that Impeachment would fail, and that a failed impeachment would only increase Trump's popularity, they would be in favor of it, and even dare the Democrats to try it.
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Every person in Congress took an oath to uphold the Constitution and that means moving to impeach Trump if he has subverted the rule of law in the way the Mueller report indicates. While I think it is inaccurate to assume moving on a failed impeachment effort will politically hurt Democrats, it is beside the point even if it does. They were elected with the expectation they defend the country. That’s not a fair weather oath they took. Abdicating even attempting to remove a lawless president from office by focusing public attention on his misconduct is going to have more serious negative consequences in the future than the prospect of slightly harming election chances even on the questionable assumption it does.
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I don’t understand the logic that Clinton’s personal popularity weathered a relatively weak and blatantly partisan case to impeach him that it follows that Trump’s markedly worse than Nixon behavior is going to enjoy a similar public response.
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Re: Should Democrats Impeach?

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It could make sense for the Democrats to impeach, if their case is unimpeachable.
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In reality, they can do both things. The can begin impeachment proceedings to show they take their constitutional responsibility seriously and draw them out so that no decision is reached before the next election. Investigate ad nauseam. It seems like drawing things out is the strategy they're currently favoring (without actually beginning the impeachment part).

Hell, if McConnell can accept 8 Supreme Court judges for a year, certainly Pelosi can make an impeachment discussion last for 18 months.
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canpakes wrote:It could make sense for the Democrats to impeach, if their case is unimpeachable.

All the freshmen congresswomen who were hired to get rid of Trump should do it just so they can write a memoir of it. They could call it Dames and the Giant Impeach.

(Because we all know how often women are referred to as "dames" these days).
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I also believe that impeaching Trump would put pressure on Senate Republicans to convict. Especially after months (years?) of publicly televised hearings make it painfully obvious to them that the American people are fed up with politicians getting away with crimes unpunished. They will want justice served and the only thing preventing that is a Republican led Senate. That could backfire on Republicans and the Democrats could control Congress within a few years.
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Re: Should Democrats Impeach?

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Gunnar wrote:Schmo, once again your views resonate very closely with how I feel, point for point. I could have easily expressed the same sentiments if you hadn't done it first, but not as well as you did. :wink:

ETA: One big worry I have is that given 20 more months as President, the additional damage that Trump could still do to this country might be so great as to be virtually unrecoverable from.

The only damage done to the country is that half of it didn't accept the vote. Why have a vote if it isn't honored?
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SPG wrote:
Gunnar wrote:Schmo, once again your views resonate very closely with how I feel, point for point. I could have easily expressed the same sentiments if you hadn't done it first, but not as well as you did. :wink:

ETA: One big worry I have is that given 20 more months as President, the additional damage that Trump could still do to this country might be so great as to be virtually unrecoverable from.

The only damage done to the country is that half of it didn't accept the vote. Why have a vote if it isn't honored?
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