mg wrote:The output is the language, Joseph's language being part and parcel, seen on the stone. Now, would Joseph's grammatical errors be part of that? Why not? If it's his brain producing the language from the input of other sources, why would we not expect his syntax to be the basis of said output?
Stop right there. Do you know how to draw a simple flow chart? have you considered sketching out what you are saying is going on here? What you are proposing makes no sense. The only thing that would fit what you're saying, and please be clear if this is what you mean, is that Joseph's brain came before the output on the stone in the causal chain. So like this:
plates --> spirit world committee --> seer stone processing --> Joseph's brain (subconscious?) --> English words on seer stone --> Joseph reads words
Is this possible? Sure. But it's not what the LDS.org summary means. You can pretend it does or tell us we can't prove that it doesn't. If this is what you want to believe, knock yourself out. But it buys you no more than:
plates --> i-stone processor --> English words on stone ---> Joseph reads English words.
the i-stone processor can have a 19th century hick vernacular module that mimicks how a 19th century hick would create his own Bible writing and take that into account as part of the "translation". We already have one black box, MG, the seer stone, and so proposing a mysterious nueral net of a dozen black boxes, including feedback from what would seem to be on the output side of the equation and creating a feedback loop, buys you nothing. It seems as if your real argument is that the process is so complex, that it can't be questioned. We get it, we've had the religious propose unfalsifiability before.
mg wrote:What part of that version do you think I am rejecting?
The part that says all that Joseph did was read words that appeared in English off of a stone.
