Dayton Ohio Shooting

[_Jersey Girl]

And along comes subgenius to really drive home my point (which he misses spectacularly because he doesn't read, but rather communicates incoherently and in memes). And to drive home Jersey Girl's point here is one off Facebook:



- Doc

JFC!!

[_Kevin Graham]

Here are the facts that are indisputable. If you own a gun, you're more likely to be shot or killed and so are your loved ones. This is just a statistical fact that cannot be refuted with rhetoric about freedom and a paranoid fear of government. I'm 49 and I've never owned a gun, and never needed one. I don't know anyone else who needs one either. But what I do know is that three people in my life were killed accidentally by guns. 1. One friend of mine shot his brother when they were hunting. We were in 7th grade together at the time, and his brother had just graduated. Imagine having to live with that for the rest of your life. 2. An old girlfriend of mine lost her baby brother when her Dad accidentally shot him through the face while cleaning his gun. He had the gun in a vise and the son stuck his head around the door and startled him, causing him to fire the gun which was aimed right at his forehead. Even after this horrific tragedy, the Father continued to decorate his home with guns. 3. About ten years ago I learned that another childhood friend of mine lost his life while hunting in North Georgia. They found his body weeks later, he was alone, and apparently died when the gun went off during a fall. So those are the people I know who lost their lives because of guns. Do you know how many people I know who needed a gun because someone stormed into their home threatening their lives and the lives of their families? ZERO. That crap doesn't happen unless you're being targeted by the mafia. This is crap we see in the movies, but never hear of it happening to our friends and family for a reason. The fact is if you decide to be a gun owner, you just increased your chances x 6 of being killed by a gun and this goes for everyone in your household. Georgia leads the nation in the number of toddlers killed by firearms and it has everything to do with this idiotic belief that more guns = more safety. The opposite is true.

[_MeDotOrg]

Neil deGrasse Tyson is correct in observing that about 200 people die in automotive fatalities, compared to 78 in the past 48 hours through mass shootings and handgun homicide.

To drive a car you must pass a driving test, and the license must be periodically renewed. You must wear corrective lenses if you cannot pass an eye exam without them. You are required to have insurance. Your car must pass an emissions test, and must be registered annually. If you sell your car, you must notify the state to transfer title.

Have we solved the problem of automobile deaths? Obviously and emphatically, no. Would the number of automotive fatalities go up dramatically if we removed the restrictions previously mentioned? Obviously yes. We have Constitutionally protected freedom of religion, but even the Amish must hang distinctly non-biblical reflectors on the backs of their carriages.

Not exactly apples to apples, Neil. And ask yourself this: What's the cost/benefit ratio of privately owned automobiles compared to privately owned guns in the United States? If you were forced to choose between your gun and your car, which would you choose?

The reality is that we regulate the operation, emissions and safety of motor vehicles and require licensed and insured operators. As a result our automotive fatality per passenger mile is not great, but pretty good and FAR better than our gun safety record compared with other countries in the world.

[_Kevin Graham]

Neil deGrasse Tyson is correct in observing that about 200 people die in automotive fatalities, compared to 78 in the past 48 hours through mass shootings and handgun homicide.

To drive a car you must pass a driving test, and the license must be periodically renewed. You must wear corrective lenses if you cannot pass an eye exam without them. You are required to have insurance. Your car must pass an emissions test, and must be registered annually. If you sell your car, you must notify the state to transfer title.

Have we solved the problem of automobile deaths? Obviously and emphatically, no. Would the number of automotive fatalities go up dramatically if we removed the restrictions previously mentioned? Obviously yes. We have Constitutionally protected freedom of religion, but even the Amish must hang distinctly non-biblical reflectors on the backs of their carriages.

Not exactly apples to apples, Neil. And ask yourself this: What's the cost/benefit ratio of privately owned automobiles compared to privately owned guns in the United States? If you were forced to choose between your gun and your car, which would you choose?

The reality is that we regulate the operation, emissions and safety of motor vehicles and require licensed and insured operators. As a result our automotive fatality per passenger mile is not great, but pretty good and FAR better than our gun safety record compared with other countries in the world.

Surprised he didn't mention seat belts. Ever since it began the law of the land, automobile releated deaths have been reduced dramatically.

[_Jersey Girl]

Shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest. Nice.

Meanwhile, Trump...

He said his administration has done a lot, but: “Perhaps more has to be done.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-AAFkqA0

Perhaps?

[_subgenius]

Stop trying to stir up irrelevant crap. Use your brain and make a damned contribution.

apart from your emotional affirmation of the point noted, it is apparent that you mean "a contribution to the hair-fire echo chamber".
nah.

[_canpakes]

Stop trying to stir up irrelevant crap. Use your brain and make a damned contribution.

apart from your emotional affirmation of the point noted, it is apparent that you mean "a contribution to the hair-fire echo chamber".
nah.

Yet aren’t you’re the fellow who just in the past few weeks alone has posted fabricated scare memes about ‘Senator’ Omar, and who whines about incandescent light bulbs being ‘banned’ by Bush while blaming it on Obama? ; )

I’d ask you to show where Jersey Girl is demonstrating something akin to a ‘hair fire’, but you’d fail in the attempt, of course.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-b ... ial-media/

This is interesting. The Dayton shooter didn't post a manifesto. It appears since the shooter was White and used guns in the attack, combined with the recent shooting in El Paso, that people immediately jumped on the 'Trump supporter, White supremacist' train with him too. While there is pretty solid evidence that the El Paso shooter was a Trump supporter, the evidence that eventually came out about the Dayton shooters social media painted a much different picture.

The Dayton shooter was a self-professed Socialist who supported both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. He specifically hated Kamala Harris because she's "a cop." He posted a lot of anti-Trump messages, he railed against ICE, he ranted about White people ruining things that he loved, he railed against the police, QAnon, White supremacists, and complained about "concentration camps." He retweeted an article calling on Joe Biden's generation to just die already, and retweeted an article criticizing Nancy Pelosi for not supporting "the squad." All in all his social media comes off as that of a very violent person.

It seems, from perusing the interwebs, the Left wants to paint the Dayton shooter as mentally ill since he didn't post a manifesto. The Right is claiming that if you can tie a shooter's social media posts to Trump then you can do the same for ones tied to the Left, and that no one would be giving a pass like this to any shooter who didn't post a manifesto but had an extensive 'pro-Trump, anti-socialist' social media history.

From his Twitter account:

I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.

I think there was a call to action from ANTIFA to go down to El Paso and attack ICE or the BP or something. I'd have to find the crap again that was posted on 4chan, I think /pol/, but I don't feel like doing that right now. Anyway, it also appears he was actively posting about El Paso before deciding to commit his own mass shooting. Crazy.

And finally, I've noticed a bunch of posters across various forums, from both sides (but mostly the Right, to be frank) are claiming all sorts of conspiracies with regard to the shooters. It is absolutely NUTS how quickly the Internet gets flooded with garbage and begins to influence perception over these events.

- Doc

[_Dr. Shades]

Let's quit beating around the bush: The only way to end these mass shootings is to rid the country of guns.

But how does the country go about confiscating the guns from the people who don't want to give them up?

[_Jersey Girl]

Let's quit beating around the bush: The only way to end these mass shootings is to rid the country of guns.

But how does the country go about confiscating the guns from the people who don't want to give them up?

That's quite a leap there.