Chicago mass shooting

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Markk wrote:As a Christian, for me it is a sin problem, which translates to a corrupted nature. I purposely stayed away from that in that I am looking for a real conversation, and I know mine is not a popular view here...but in that context I certainly agree that it is a human nature problem.

However not all, in fact, very few, go around killing other humans, either one at a time, or in mass, in the context of our discussion.

If it is just a human nature problem, how do other humans help others that go beyond the norm of how most people behave within the context of our nature?

Where does good, evil, right, and wrong play into this in finding the root? Also where does accountability and justice fit into this.

Thanks

Mike Huckabee said today that the problem was Americans haven't been thinking and praying enough about this issue. The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting a different result.

Thoughts and prayers won't cut it. The problem is not that the people of the United States are not religious enough. If there were a correlation between a belief in Christ and a low homicide rate, this county would do far better than Japan, where one percent of the population is Christian, but they don't have mass shootings in Japan. It isn't because they pray. It's because they don't have guns.

The President says that hatred pulls the trigger, but there has to be an effing trigger for the hatred to pull! Yes, we have hatred, but guns are dangerous hatred multipliers. They turn hatred into mass murder. Other countries have mental health problems, teenagers who play video games constantly, alienation and drug abuse, but they don't have the gun violence the United States has, because it is more difficult to get a gun.

I'm a Tour Guide. Today I went by San Francisco's City Hall and had explain, once again that the flags were at half-staff because of mass shootings. I wanted to scream that the reason we have mass shootings is the NRA and gun manufacturers own the Republican Party, and all we are ever told to do is think and pray.

I've thought and prayed enough. Ban assault weapons. Ban high capacity magazines. Mandatory background checks.

WWJD? What would Jesus do? Would he think and pray about the problem, then buy a gun and take money from the NRA?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: Additionally, you have the trauma that stays with the families on both sides of that discharged firearm.

Exactly so. I and my family are living proof of that. There are many more like us.

If going to church and more Jesus, which has been amply available to us since, I dunno, a couple of thousand years ago hasn't changed human nature then what can we do, right now, to create the framework that immediately reduces these figures?

Listen. This is all I'm going to say because I don't want to get sucked into exchanges with Markk again.

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MeDotOrg wrote:WWJD? What would Jesus do? Would he think and pray about the problem, then buy a gun and take money from the NRA?

He would tell us to live by his principles. Which we as a society are not. People feel marginalized, they're angry and hurting, and some folks are suffering from mental illness.

Were we living by the principles Christ taught, there would be no homeless persons, no person would go hungry, no person would feel like an outsider, people would feel connected and loved.
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MeDotOrg wrote:WWJD? What would Jesus do? Would he think and pray about the problem, then buy a gun and take money from the NRA?

He would tell us to live by his principles. Which we as a society are not. People feel marginalized, they're angry and hurting, and some folks are suffering from mental illness.

Were we living by the principles Christ taught, there would be no homeless persons, no person would go hungry, no person would feel like an outsider, people would feel connected and loved.

I have no problem with the way Jesus acted, and I think his teachings about where your thoughts and actions should originate are powerful and true. My point is that you do not have to be a perfect Christian society in order to NOT have massive gun violence.

I know of no other issue quite like gun violence, in the sense that gun violence always gets blamed on something other than gun violence. We throw up our hands and say the problem has many facets without looking at the gun at the center of the problem.
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MeDot I'm confused by your above reply. I was replying directly to Cam's comment.

I didn't actually read your post if there is one. Sorry.
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MeDot forgive me. I messed up and DID copy your post to reply to.

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Get off the board, Jersey.

No.

Get off.

No.

:lol:

MeDotOrg wrote: Ban assault weapons. Ban high capacity magazines. Mandatory background checks.


I agree with you 1K percent here. In fact I thought I had replied in the affirmative.

Attributing mass shootings to one root cause as Markk attempts to do is a convenient way of avoiding the issues.

Or giving up part of your gun stash.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Get off the board, Jersey.

No.

Get off.

No.

:lol:

MeDotOrg wrote: Ban assault weapons. Ban high capacity magazines. Mandatory background checks.


I agree with you 1K percent here. In fact I thought I had replied in the affirmative.

No worries, Jersey Girl. I'm a little hot under the collar right now, so I probably jumped on you a bit as well.

Attributing mass shootings to one root cause as Markk attempts to do is a convenient way of avoiding the issues.

Or giving up part of your gun stash.
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MeDotOrg wrote:No worries, Jersey Girl. I'm a little hot under the collar right now, so I probably jumped on you a bit as well.


Nah, it's okay. Just read my posts. I've been fed up over this, too. Particularly the excuse making.

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Markk wrote:Once again, behavior. Like you basically wrote, guns are a convenient effective means, for bad, evil, and/or sick behavior to inflect injury.

It's inflict.

Basically, the root problem is there whether it is a fist, a knife, or a gun. Can we agree on this?

No.

That is the root cause.

No.
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