"What got translated got translated into the word of God"

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Re: "What got translated got translated into the word of God

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The following English CANNOT be translated into Egyptian, therefore it was never translated from Egyptian in the first place!

Fig. 5. Is called in Egyptian Enish-go-on-dosh; this is one of the governing planets also, and is said by the Egyptians to be the Sun, and to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, which is the grand Key, or, in other words, the governing power, which governs fifteen other fixed planets or stars, as also Floeese or the Moon, the Earth and the Sun in their annual revolutions. This planet receives its power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam, the stars represented by numbers 22 and 23, receiving light from the revolutions of Kolob.


Nor can it be used by Albert Einstein to further modern science!
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Re: "What got translated got translated into the word of God

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I'm afraid these Mormon translations given in Facsimile No. 2 are totally unacceptable.

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Facsimile No. 2 wrote:Fig. 5. Is called in Egyptian Enish-go-on-dosh; this is one of the governing planets also, and is said by the Egyptians to be the Sun, and to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, which is the grand Key, or, in other words, the governing power, which governs fifteen other fixed planets or stars, as also Floeese or the Moon, the Earth and the Sun in their annual revolutions. This planet receives its power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam, the stars represented by numbers 22 and 23, receiving light from the revolutions of Kolob.
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Wait, you want me to translate the English version of the Facsimile Explanations back into original Egyptian?

Ugh, I can't do that.


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FACSIMILE NO. 2 wrote:
Fig. 8. Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God.
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Okay, where is it? Show me!
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We don't know!
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See, I'm in good company. Nobody knows!

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Kerry wrote:Wait, you want me to translate the English version of the Facsimile Explanations back into original Egyptian?

Ugh, I can't do that.


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But I insist! I want you to take the English version of a part of the Book of Abraham and translate it back into Egyptian so everyone can see that Joseph Smith really was translating Egyptian from the papyrus.

Here you go, Kerry:

Fig. 5. Shulem, one of the king's principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand. wrote:
How do you spell: SHULEM?

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You know I can't do that, Shulem.


I know, Kerry, I know. I just want everyone else to know you can't do it.

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Re: "What got translated got translated into the word of God

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham wrote:

Only small fragments of the long papyrus scrolls once in Joseph Smith’s possession exist today. The relationship between those fragments and the text we have today is largely a matter of conjecture.


Here it seems the church is making a case for a missing roll theory. This is based on the claim that there are substantial amounts of missing portions from the original roll so nobody can come to any certain conclusion on the relationship of the hieroglyphic writing on the papyrus Smith used to translate into the Book of Abraham. The church chalks it up as conjecture in spite of all the evidence that shows Smith used characters from the rediscovered papyrus. The church seems to imply that everything is conjecture and nothing can be firmly established leaving the whole thing in question.

Not so! We have exact characters used by Smith to translate and form his interpretations. We can prove whether his translations are legitimate translations by using classic examples at hand:

FACSIMILE NO. 3 wrote:Image

King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.

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Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.

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Shulem, one of the king's principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand.



Thus we see from the examples above that Smith was using the very hieroglyphs contained in the registers of the Facsimile and are distinctively called out as such. The relationship between these hieroglyphs and the persons they represent is firmly established. There is no conjecture at play other than in the mind of Joseph Smith and modern apologists who refuse to come to terms.

Smith's translations above can be safely discarded as rubbish.
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham wrote:

1. The Lord did not require Joseph Smith to have knowledge of Egyptian.

2. In these inspired translations, Joseph Smith did not claim to know the ancient languages of the records he was translating.


The essay goes on to say that this knowledge came to Joseph Smith through the gift and power of God. Of course we know Joseph Smith couldn't read Egyptian and neither could his god! It's all wrong!

The Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are all the proof we need to know that Joseph Smith's feigned gift and power to translate was bogus. The canonized Explanations may be safely discarded as utter rubbish.

Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

Fig. 2. King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.

Fig. 3. Signifies Abraham in Egypt as given also in Figure 10 of Facsimile No. 1.

Fig. 4. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.

Fig. 5. Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand.

Fig. 6. Olimlah, a slave belonging to the prince.

Abraham is reasoning upon the principles of Astronomy, in the king’s court.
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Re: "What got translated got translated into the word of God

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Shulem wrote:Wait, you want me to translate the English version of the Facsimile Explanations back into original Egyptian?

Ugh, I can't do that.


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Huh. I think you just provided the most rock solid anti argument I’ve seen ref the Book of Abraham. This is it. This angle forces them into the untestable catalyst theory.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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