Could this happen? Airing of grievances & simple apologies?

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Dr Moore wrote:Cam... come on brother, the man apologized and he did it with class while, as is his right, preserving and respecting our disagreeing views. I didn’t ask for more and I would never ask for more than that.


I disagree. I think it was actually pretty classless. However, if you’re satisfied that’s all that matters, and I’m genuinely happy for you and the charity that’s going to get $1000. :)

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Well, how about this?:

DCP wrote:You surely won't be surprised that my choice is The Interpreter Foundation:

https://interpreterfoundati...

After all, generating funds for Interpreter is a primary obligation of mine.

However, if Interpreter -- which, by the way, is an accredited and federally tax-exempt 501(c)3 charity -- is a bridge too far for you, I offer another possibility, the Bountiful Children's Foundation:

https://bountifulchildrensf...

Thank you!

Now, if I'm not mistaken, you made another distinct but related offer in the amount of $10K. Please refresh my memory as to the terms, which I believe were set forth somewhere on the Shades board. Would a pledge to not mention the Shades board here for the next six months -- that is, through the end of February 2020 -- satisfy those terms?


Why is he agreeing to this all of the sudden? Philo seems to think it's because he was threatened by "The Powers That Be." Maybe. In any case, you may want a more specific definition of "to not mention the Shades board." (And, am I wrong, or did you not already provide specific terms?)
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Told ya he'd go with Interpreter. This is all politics and has absolutely nothing to do with him being actually sorry in any manner. He's not sorry, he's thrilled he found more Babylonian money to fund his already Babylonian enterprise in the name of a church. He wins a point here, which elevates him higher and makes him more important... this man is such a fantastic rhetor he never loses...
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My response below.

Dr. Moore a few seconds ago

Your choice — as a qualified 501(c)(3), Interpreter it is. Please watch for an email at your BYU address from my pseudonym with additional information to aid in tracking the donation.

I am torn by seeing a second charity named. Perhaps unintentionally, you tasked me with choosing between them. I would personally always choose the latter. Alleviating child suffering, in all forms, is arguably the most worthy charitable cause on earth.

Therefore, I propose the following: I will direct a second $1,000 donation to the Bountiful Children’s Foundation. Consider it a nod to a Kiwi57, even though it appears he opted — magnanimously — not to link an apology to the apology-donation deal. Does that sound appropriate and acceptable?

As for the $10k donation deal, yes! Perhaps it’s overboard, but charitable giving hardly qualifies as a bad faith proposition. I laid out terms of that donation in a previous post, but let’s clarify now that we are talking about it.

The spirit of the deal is simply a goal to ratchet down the negative personal chatter. One can never control what others say online, but one can choose to let it go or even ignore it.

Who knows if this experiment will accomplish anything sustainable. I hope it does.

Shall we agree that the $10k is in your hands to distribute to worthy causes on fulfillment of the following terms?

1. No derogatory mention of Dr. Shades board, or its members, through end of Feb. 2020. By yourself, and as host of this site, by your good faith effort to moderate such comments by others here.

2. Nothing in the deal limits your range to express conviction on and debate issues of interest.

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Dr Moore wrote:My response below.

Dr. Moore a few seconds ago

Your choice — as a qualified 501(c)(3), Interpreter it is. Please watch for an email at your BYU address from my pseudonym with additional information to aid in tracking the donation.

I am torn by seeing a second charity named. Perhaps unintentionally, you tasked me with choosing between them. I would personally always choose the latter. Alleviating child suffering, in all forms, is arguably the most worthy charitable cause on earth.

Therefore, I propose the following: I will direct a second $1,000 donation to the Bountiful Children’s Foundation. Consider it a nod to a Kiwi57, even though it appears he opted — magnanimously — not to link an apology to the apology-donation deal. Does that sound appropriate and acceptable?

As for the $10k donation deal, yes! Perhaps it’s overboard, but charitable giving hardly qualifies as a bad faith proposition. I laid out terms of that donation in a previous post, but let’s clarify now that we are talking about it.

The spirit of the deal is simply a goal to ratchet down the negative personal chatter. One can never control what others say online, but one can choose to let it go or even ignore it.

Who knows if this experiment will accomplish anything sustainable. I hope it does.

Shall we agree that the $10k is in your hands to distribute to worthy causes on fulfillment of the following terms?

1. No derogatory mention of Dr. Shades board, or its members, through end of Feb. 2020. By yourself, and as host of this site, by your good faith effort to moderate such comments by others here.

2. Nothing in the deal limits your range to express conviction on and debate issues of interest.

Dr. Moore


Dr. Moore, I've tried to stay out of your deal as it really isn't my place to give an opinion. If nothing else, you've shown that you error on the side of generosity, while the apologists kick and scream to meet minimal standards. And it only helps me, as I also want to see the Witnesses film get made so that I can review it. I mean, really, you're giving them an object lesson in how to walk the higher path.

I do think I need to point out one thing to you. I don't think there is much that I can teach you, after all you have a Phd, but, perhaps I just want to be doubly sure that you've considered the way bullies and gangs operate. I've been in this position more than once with a kid and the school system, and I've also watched Mopologetics for some time now. Suppose a bully gets in trouble and is forced to stop a certain behavior. In that event, either directly or by unsaid communication, the bullies underlings will carry out the deeds of the bully in his stead, and with exaggeration, as penalties for the bully getting in trouble. It's not as you might think it is, cut off the head and the beast dies -- cut off the head and two more grow to take its place.

Are you familiar with the Schryver episode here? The deniability over it here on this board as it unfolded by certain apologist parties went to extremes that may have had a material link to what happened in 2012. Do not pay 10k$ to charity over expertly handled denial verse "good faith" effort to keep what happens on his blog civil. Sorry bro, but I admit that I'm not a policy man, I'm a sucker for rational expectations theory, which says that policy, such as financial incentives, generally don't hit the targets, as people instinctively know how to game the deal.

And so if you go through with this, I would strongly suggest that you hold him to "good faith" moderation of his blog, and have a keen sense IF he tries to beat the system by having the war continued by other means or other parties. In fact, I would suggest you seek two other individuals out (not me) to act with you as a panel for making the final judgement on whether he fulfilled his terms.

And that is all I have to say on the matter. However you proceed, should you throw caution to the wind, it will not negatively impact my view of your good intentions, and I'll try to take whatever unfolds for the interesting scenario it surely will be, one way or another.
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Thanks Gad. Helpful! Eyes wide open.
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Dr Moore wrote:Thanks Gad. Helpful! Eyes wide open.


Indeed.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Yeah Cam, a bunch of us have that screen. A few of us found we could still make posts even though the message remains. Hard to know exactly why.

I can think of 2 possible things.

1. Glitch
2. Ban-unban artifact

Without a Patheos support ticket, no way I can think of to know for sure.
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If Mr. Peterson doesn’t ban people, then why does The Midge encourage him to ‘give X the boot’. Or how is it that Mr. Peterson will state that someone is coming close to being ‘shown the door’ and then all of a sudden their account is banned?

I think you’re being willfully gracious in the interest of maintaining your posting privileges, which is fine, but let’s not pretend he doesn’t ban people. He does. I posted just fine until The Midge asked Mr. Peterson to get rid of me, which he did, but not before calling me a jerk and to find a place more suitable for my participation.

My crime? Pointing out their nastiness and cliquishness.

Which is all good. It’s their prerogative. But calling it a glitch is silly. The moderator probably just banned you and perhaps when you’re unbanned by the mod the message still shows you as banned.

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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