Marie Yovanovitch defies Trump and testifies under subpoena

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello? Exiled? You still there? It got awfully quiet in this thread for some reason...

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comm ... ?context=3

[–]slakmehl 966 points 20 hours ago2

Hill will also reportedly testify that she strenuously objected to the removal of former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, but that her input was disregarded, according to The New York Times.

Note that this is all about the original conspiracy to rig the 2020 election, long before the Zelenskyy call. It turned entirely on the removal of this ambassador, which Trump personally ordered. Compared to the direct extortion of Zelenskyy that Trump ultimately had to resort to, this conspiracy was far more convoluted:

Dmitriy FIRTASH, a pro-Russia oligarch whose fortune comes from Ukrainian gas, is fighting extradition to the US from Vienna, and finances Lev PARNAS, presumably in hopes of the US dropping extradition.

PARNAS pays GIULIANI hundreds of thousands of dollars for influence over Trump administration, including getting a board position on Ukrainian gas company Naftogaz.

Trump gets PERRY to pressure Naftogaz.

In return for the risk entailed by facilitating influence peddling, Trump needs his own deliverable, which is investigations into Biden and 2016, which can be provided by corrupt Ukrainian Prosecutor Yuriy LUTSENKO, with whom PARNAS has inroads (likely via FIRTASH).

LUTSENKO wants YOVANOVICH fired because she is trying to get him fired for corruption.

PARNAS is the bagman for coordinating with LUTSENKO.

LUTSENKO fabricates investigations, and in exchange Trump fires YOVANOVICH.

Then Zelenskyy wins on an anti-corruption platform, fires Lutsenko, the entire conspiracy falls apart, and Trump resorts to simply directly extorting the President of Ukraine himself on the infamous July 25th phone call. Fittingly, even in this call Trump still alludes to the original conspiracy, for which PARNAS is now indicted and Giuliani is under investigation, by bringing up Yovanovich and saying "she's going to go through some things".

- Doc

[_Dr Exiled]

Doc:

I guess name calling in defense of mainstream media/democratic conspiracy theories works to a certain extent. Isn't practically every counter to the corporate democratic narrative on 4chan? I'm not an expert in 4chan. Also, it was only two days ago since I last posted.

From what you quoted above, sounds like you have a fun conspiracy theory to play with. I wonder what the accused and the other players have to say about this? Perhaps we should wait to see? Maybe they should be allowed to defend themselves prior to conclusions being drawn? It might spoil the narrative but that is how investigations and court cases go sometimes.

How do explain Zelensky's denials about pressure and that he didn't know about delays in military aid? It seems the target should know he is being pressured for a quid pro quo to be effective.

[_Some Schmo]

How do explain Zelensky's denials about pressure and that he didn't know about delays in military aid? It seems the target should know he is being pressured for a quid pro quo to be effective.

Gee, I wonder why the victim is saying what the douche holding a gun to his head wants him to say.

It's quite a mystery.

[_Some Schmo]

It seems the target should know he is being pressured for a quid pro quo to be effective.

And by the way, no pressure need be applied for a quid pro quo to take place. When you buy milk at the store, you're agreeing to a quid pro quo.

Look up the term. You might be surprised by what it means.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

How do explain Zelensky's denials about pressure and that he didn't know about delays in military aid? It seems the target should know he is being pressured for a quid pro quo to be effective.

It seems like others have you pegged, in that nothing too trivial is a show stopper for the Left, but nothing to obvious is a 'meh nohtingburger' moment for the Right.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1WU07Z

President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, was paid $500,000 for work he did for a company co-founded by the Ukrainian-American businessman arrested last week on campaign finance charges, Giuliani told Reuters on Monday.

Remember about a week ago I was like, "I"d sure damned love to know who's lining Giuliani's pockets since he's working pro bono for Trump."?

Giuliani said Parnas’ company, Boca Raton-based Fraud Guarantee, whose website says it aims to help clients “reduce and mitigate fraud”, engaged Giuliani Partners, a management and security consulting firm, around August 2018.

Lol. Fraud Guarantee. You can't make this stuff up.

According to an indictment unsealed by U.S. prosecutors, an unidentified Russian businessman arranged for two $500,000 wires to be sent from foreign bank accounts to a U.S. account controlled by Fruman in September and October 2018. The money was used, in part, by Fruman, Parnas and two other men charged in the indictment to gain influence with U.S. politicians and candidates, the indictment said.

Foreign nationals are prohibited from making contributions and other expenditures in connection with U.S. elections, and from making contributions in someone else’s name.

Exiled. You need to watch the John Oliver segment. I promise it has lots of pictures, a manic host, and talks down to its audience. No, he doesn't work for FOX News, this is a HBO production.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Exiled now goes into the pile of Conservative posters who don't bother to read. I handed him on a platter a breakdown of the topic, and he just craps out some deflection. Frustrating.

- Doc

[_Chap]

Exiled now goes into the pile of Conservative posters who don't bother to read. [...]

- Doc

Is there any other kind on this forum at the moment?

It's not a situation that pleases me, I should say. It's a bit like the demise of mopologists on the main forums: a kind of mass extinction under evolutionary pressure. The predators they encounter are too effective for them to be able to maintain a breeding population.

[_DarkHelmet]

Parnas’ company, Boca Raton-based Fraud Guarantee

If anyone is still questioning whether "Stupid Watergate" is an appropriate name for Trump's scandals, this should help settle it.

[_Dr Exiled]

Exiled now goes into the pile of Conservative posters who don't bother to read. I handed him on a platter a breakdown of the topic, and he just craps out some deflection. Frustrating.

- Doc

I don't have the time to counter all of your rush to judgment reasoning, based on mainstream media sources that may or may not be retracted, like so many other stories in russiagate. The impeachment proceedings are not public so I don't know how you can properly decide the issue at this point. But by all means, declare victory, I guess, and keep the faith that indictments mean finality in legal proceedings, despite how the process is really supposed to be. Anyway, let's see how this all turns out in a year or so.

[_subgenius]

Exiled now goes into the pile of Conservative posters who don't bother to read. I handed him on a platter a breakdown of the topic, and he just craps out some deflection. Frustrating.

- Doc

Naw, I read and still can't find any impeachable evidence on this thread...but it does remind me of other threads on this board...like Mueller, Dr Ford, Cohen, etc.
Trump was legit supposed to be in jail by now according to you guys....but somehow your hyperbole has yet to manifest, and does not appear to have any place to 'stick'.

But I get your frustration, all that emotion and no tangible outlet for it....maybe go to a Trump rally in Minnesota and spit on people or sucker punch them because..."Constitutional Crisis...aaarrrgggghhh!!"