Trump whistleblower complaint

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Icarus wrote:You think he's probably safe from impeachment?

I believe he meant conviction in the senate.

Trump will be impeached. There's no doubt about it.
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EAllusion wrote:
Icarus wrote:Meanwhile, Ambassador Sondland comes clean and says it was a quid pro quo. This is huge because there is no way the Trump camp can discredit him. He gave $1 million to Trump and that is the reason Trump gave him an ambassadorship. Apparently Trump misunderstands his own loyalists. Contrary to his expectations, all of them aren't entirely corrupt to the core.


Oh, he's corrupt. This is a rat fleeing the ship situation. Trump probably is safe from impeachment and therefore has impunity to violate the law, but he does have a habit of not paying loyalty back with loyalty. You know, like every other authoritarian that these guys lack the foresight to learn about before getting in bed with. His goons can go down. So Sondland gave the testimony best suited to protect himself.

When Trump demanded loyalty over principle, he pushed out the people who had principles. Loyalty without principle tends to be pretty shallow and contracts quickly to loyalty to one's self above all else.
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Another witness scheduled to testify today is a military official working in the White House who overheard the phone call. He is defying the White House by testifying and last night Fox News attacking him for engaging in espionage.

Lieutenant Colonel Vindman was on the call so he has first hand knowledge and reported his concerns twice.
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Icarus wrote:Another witness scheduled to testify today is a military official working in the White House who overheard the phone call. He is defying the White House by testifying and last night Fox News attacking him for engaging in espionage.

Lieutenant Colonel Vindman was on the call so he has first hand knowledge and reported his concerns twice.

The same argument that he is a dual-loyalty traitor have made its way into surrogate talking points in a variety of venues. It's coordinated.
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The implication that you're a traitor if you truthfully testify about your concerns with the President using foreign policy to manipulate an election is...not great. While academics are pulling the alarms, there's a lot of people in positions of influence who haven't caught on to just how bad the situation in America already is. What I wouldn't give for the domestic press to cover domestic events just like it does when they happen in a foreign country for just one week.
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These same people went nuts over Hillary calling Gabbard an asset.
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Weird how a commissioned officer might put country ahead of a political figure... and why it’s so goddamned appalling when one acts contrary to that oath.

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From Vindman's opening Statement: https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/s ... tfinal.pdf

April 21, 2019: President Trump Calls Ukraine President Zelenskyy

On April 21, 2019, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was elected President of Ukraine in a
landslide victory. President Zelenskyy was seen as a unifying figure within the
country. He was the first candidate to win a majority in every region of the country,
breaking the claims that Ukraine would be subject to a perpetual divide between
the Ukrainian- and Russian-speaking populations. President Zelenskyy ran on a
platform of unity, reform, and anti-corruption, which resonated with the entire
country.

In support of U.S. policy objectives to support Ukrainian sovereignty, President
Trump called President Zelenskyy on April 21, 2019. I was one of several staff and
officers who listened to the call. The call was positive, and President Trump
expressed his desire to work with President Zelenskyy and extended an invitation
to visit the White House.

May 21, 2019: Inauguration Delegation Goes to Ukraine

On May 21, 2019, I was directed by Ambassador Bolton and Dr. Hill to join the
delegation attending President Zelenkskyy’s inauguration. When the delegation
returned, they provided a debriefing to President Trump and explained their
positive assessment of President Zelenskyy and his team. I did not participate in
the debriefing.

Oleksandr Danylyuk Visit – July 10, 2019

On July 10, 2019, Oleksandr Danylyuk, the Secretary of the National Security and
Defense Council for Ukraine, visited Washington, D.C. for a meeting with National
Security Advisor Bolton. Ambassadors Volker and Sondland also attended, along
with Energy Secretary Rick Perry.

The meeting proceeded well until the Ukrainians broached the subject of a meeting
between the two presidents. The Ukrainians saw this meeting as critically
important in order to solidify the support of their most important international
partner. Amb. Sondland started to speak about Ukraine delivering specific
investigations in order to secure the meeting with the President, at which time
Ambassador Bolton cut the meeting short.


Following this meeting, there was a scheduled debriefing during which Amb.
Sondland emphasized the importance that Ukraine deliver the investigations into
the 2016 election, the Bidens, and Burisma. I stated to Amb. Sondland that his
statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate Biden and his son
had nothing to do with national security
, and that such investigations were not
something the NSC was going to get involved in or push. Dr. Hill then entered the
room and asserted to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate.
Following the debriefing meeting, I reported my concerns to the NSC’s lead
counsel. Dr. Hill also reported the incident to the NSC’s lead counsel.

Election Call – July 25, 2019

On July 21, 2019, President Zelenskyy’s party won Parliamentary elections in a
landslide victory. The NSC proposed that President Trump call President Zelenskyy
to congratulate him.

On July 25, 2019, the call occurred. I listened in on the call in the Situation Room
with colleagues from the NSC and the office of the Vice President. As the transcript
is in the public record, we are all aware of what was said.

I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign
government investigate a U.S. citizen
, and I was worried about the implications for
the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an
investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a
partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan
support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security.
Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel.

Conclusion

The United States and Ukraine are and must remain strategic partners, working
together to realize the shared vision of a stable, prosperous, and democratic
Ukraine that is integrated into the Euro-Atlantic community. Our partnership is
rooted in the idea that free citizens should be able to exercise their democratic
rights, choose their own destiny, and live in peace.

It has been a great honor to serve the American people and a privilege to work in
the White House and on the National Security Council. I hope to continue to serve
and advance America’s national security interests.

Thank you again for your consideration, and now I would be happy to answer your
questions
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"One of the hardest things for me to accept is the fact that Kevin Graham has blonde hair, blue eyes and an English last name. This ugly truth blows any arguments one might have for actual white supremacism out of the water. He's truly a disgrace." - Ajax
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The "transcript" released by the Whitehouse did indeed edit out more explicit damning information per Vindman. Who could've guessed that the most dishonest people in the country that lie about everything would try to mislead the American public about their impropriety?
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