huckelberry wrote:Jewish media? with a hulking ugly Jewish image. Doc why this piece of sewer flotsam?
And why does the nice young man with the tee shirt about La Raza have such a long knife?
It's from 4chan which echoes, daily, Ajax18's 'white nationalism' angle. About two months ago or so I started to go there to try to understand the motivations of the El Paso & Dayton shooters, and other disaffected types who pull this kind of thing. My questions that Ajax18 won't answer fall in line with online white supremacism, and I wanted to give him the opportunity to lay out his philosophy so we could have a good faith discussion about it.
Instead he's just trying to take control of the narrative through bad faith argument tactics*. He thinks he's going on the offense, but I may be giving him too much credit about thinking; he's most likely just having a knee jerk reaction to being pinned down.
Anyway, the cartoon is both a bad faith argument of mine, providing a caricature of the viewpoint of a white nationalist, but also a solidly accurate and recurring meme of the alt-Right and, frankly, a good percentage of the people who vote for Trump.
- Doc
* Ajax18’s Steps to Confuse and Befuddle an Opponent through Dubiousness and Spuriousness
1) Demand an elaborate, time-consuming comparison between your position and theirs while offering up minimal responses that don't acknowledge points raised.
2) Insist that your opponent provide incontrovertible proof, and anything short of a recorded and signed confession won't be accepted as plausible. Recorded confessions will be assumed to be a deep fake and signed confessions are forgeries.
3) Dismiss their narrative as rubbish immediately (or hair fire or tin foil conspiracy, etc). Do not even read it. Once your opponent goes through the bother to research, gather, collate, compose and write their narrative your job is to discredit it. Make it obvious you tossed their labor-intensive narrative aside like garbage. This will have the effect of demoralizing the target poster. It will make them unwilling to expend the effort again, which is a net win. The sooner you can move the discussion into quips and cliches the better it is for your side.
4) As mentioned above it's extremely important to cherry pick their arguments. Just because they make a good point doesn't mean that you have to respond to it.
5) Quote them and then misrepresent what they said.
6) Attack the source because that's easier than addressing content. I like to call this one 'ad sourcenum'.
7) Confuse your opponent with questions, always questions. The questions need not be relevant. The goal is to get your opponent off their game, and preventing your opponent from making their point. Think Endless Recursion through Irrelevant Questions. Also, do not respond to their leading questions.
8) Just blurt out something, anything, instead of letting points go unchallenged. That, in of itself is a rebuttal and works like a charm. Posting for the sake of posting is as good as posting a well-thought point.
9) Deceive your opponent by identifying yourself as a member of their group, or as a moderate, centrist, independent, or act as though you used to be part of their group but then saw the error of your ways. <- The last one is the Born Again tactic. Or just stay on the low down. Works either way, no?
10) Insert our catch phrases into your posts. Stick with it and our talking points will become truth. If they debunk your talking point, ignore it, and move on because what's important is noise, not content.
11) There's this thing called 'sliding'. LDSFAQs would do this quite a bit (they also talk about it a lot on /pol/). If you want to hide something instead of addressing it, sliding a post is a great way to bury anything that you don't want to be seen. Simply create more posts above the conversation that you want to hide. The posts that you make will push the targeted posts further down, reducing the visibility of the objectionable material.
Any combination of these tactics are in use any given moment by bad actors. Anyway. I just want the audience to see what I see and note their BS when they're doing it.
