A Brokered Democratic Convention?

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Re: A Brokered Democratic Convention?

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moksha wrote:
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I got it from here

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ional-tak/
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Re: A Brokered Democratic Convention?

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:DT tends to confuse opinion with fact.


That is not true! You know perfectly well that I always have sources. The 90s Democrats did contribute to the 2008 crisis.

Enough blame to go around
https://www.economist.com/democracy-in- ... -go-around

Bill Clinton on the Banking Crisis, McCain, and Hillary
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nd-hillary


I rest my case.
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Res Ipsa wrote:I rest my case.


Almost everything in politics and economics is just opinion. So what are your facts?
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:I rest my case.


Almost everything in politics and economics is just opinion. So what are your facts?


Then why do you present those opinions as facts? My degree is is in economics. I know if you ask five economists a question on a complicated subject like the causes of the 2008 crash, you’ll get six different opinions.

There are facts in both politics and economics. But those aren’t what you are starting. You’re stating opinion as fact.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Then why do you present those opinions as facts?


Am I suppose to say "In my opinion" every time I make a comment about politics and economics?
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That's not the issue, DT. It's that you see sources with qualified evidence and proposed understandings of outcomes and slap on it a big sticker proclaiming it to be truth. If you truly understood it, you'd inherently understand where the caveats in the conclusions should naturally fall.
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honorentheos wrote:That's not the issue, DT. It's that you see sources with qualified evidence and proposed understandings of outcomes and slap on it a big sticker proclaiming it to be truth. If you truly understood it, you'd inherently understand where the caveats in the conclusions should naturally fall.


Yep.
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canpakes wrote:
moksha wrote:Handing out complimentary vacuum-packed packages of ammo at the annual NRA meeting with the slogan, "On Target with Trump" might help.

Be sure to make them 7.62×39mm rounds.

And orange truck nuts! Gotta have orange truck nuts.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Then why do you present those opinions as facts?


Am I suppose to say "In my opinion" every time I make a comment about politics and economics?


Nope. As honor said, the problem is in the way you present materials from sources. You find a publication or paper that has quote in it that you agree with it, and you present that as if it establishes the truth.

Go back and review our discussion on Mormons and the Big Bang. If I recall correctly, you started with: Mormons don't believe in the Big Bang. That reads as a statement of fact. When pushed, you qualified that as: Mormon scientists don't believe in the Big Bang. When shown contrary statements by Mormon scientists, you retreated to: Some Mormon scientists don't believe in the big bang. Then to: Here's one Mormon scientists that doesn't believe in the big bang. Then, when shown that you were misinterpreting the paper, you ended up at" call this one scientist and ask him.

You took something you heard from one scientist and presented that as an absolute fact about all Mormons. You do this regularly: lift a quote or statistic out of a paper, omit all the qualifying language in the source, and then present it absolute fact. Even when reading the original source shows an expression of opinion.

The problem isn't just that you aren't communicating clearly with readers here. It's that I, as a reader of your posts, can't trust that you understand what you are reading and reporting to us.

Here is a suggested alternative to the way you posted on this topic:

I think the center-left made life miserable for millions. I think this article [link] makes a good case that the 2008 crash is the fault of the democrats. [quote]

That clearly identifies what is your opinion and what is fact. It also communicates to me that your source is presenting an opinion backed up by a reasonable argument. If I want to respond, I can clink the link, read the same source, and tell you what I think. It also communicates to me that you understand the difference between absolute fact and a "good case."
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