About those COVID Tests

[_EAllusion]

The official US death tally at the moment is around 37k. This is likely a significant undercount because there are a swath of probable COVID deaths not making the official count due to people not being tested after they die. That does show up in the numbers where the people dying minus official COVID deaths is still far above normal. We're way above normal outlier years for all-cause mortality right now. It's going to take a while to figure out how much death COVID has caused directly or indirectly. Once you look passed people who died because of the disease, you also have people who died because they could not access health care quickly enough during the crisis and died of other acute issues. Then you have people who are going to die because they can't get a routine physical and their early stage cancer (etc.) isn't going to be caught quickly enough. Once you get a solid estimate of that, you have minus fewer deaths due to traffic accidents, air pollution, etc. We're not going to know the true impact for years.

In the short-term, while subgenius apparently is a truther about people being put in mass graves because so many people are dying, we have a tragic amount of official COVID deaths and another tragic amount of probable COVID deaths researchers are attempting to account for.

I don't recall after 9/11 swathes of conservatives trying to downplay it because lots of people die for other reasons or conservatives lingering on the inevitability of death as a welcome friend. That's because Donald Trump is their Jim Jones, and nothing good ultimately is going to come of that fact.

[_canpakes]

Now you asserted a very debunkable and idiotic talking point from Laura Ingraham/Tucker Carlson, and you're dodging of the refutation can be taken as a concession that you're just passing along their dumb information without doing the necessary research.

subs is an empty vessel easily controlled and programmed by certain media. He repeats the line about ‘fascist lockdowns’ but couldn’t explain why shelter-at-home practices are ‘fascist’ if he tried.

[_canpakes]

I don't recall after 9/11 swathes of conservatives trying to downplay it because lots of people die for other reasons or conservatives lingering on the inevitability of death as a welcome friend. That's because Donald Trump is their Jim Jones, and nothing good ultimately is going to come of that fact.

To repeat a favorite talking point of subs, I didn’t see him mocking the casualty toll of 9/11 as he did with early coronavirus case counts by asking, “is that a lot?”

Neither consistency nor integrity is a concern for that sort of personality.

[_subgenius]

Heart disease is a generic term to describe an umbrella of conditions. There are more than a dozen types of heart disease.

Now you asserted a very debunkable and idiotic talking point from Laura Ingraham/Tucker Carlson, and you're dodging of the refutation can be taken as a concession that you're just passing along their dumb information without doing the necessary research.

you requested one disease, virus, illness...and "illness" kinda opens the door. But its cool, keep moving the goalposts until you're not wrong anymore. You asked and it was answered, so at least own that you were wrong...or just retreat back and start the personal attacks.
Or another option would be for you to provide justification for your 35k claim.
im betting you just scream something cuz its easier for yer brain.

[_subgenius]

I don't recall after 9/11 swathes of conservatives trying to downplay it because lots of people die for other reasons or conservatives lingering on the inevitability of death as a welcome friend. That's because Donald Trump is their Jim Jones, and nothing good ultimately is going to come of that fact.

To repeat a favorite talking point of subs, I didn’t see him mocking the casualty toll of 9/11 as he did with early coronavirus case counts by asking, “is that a lot?”

Neither consistency nor integrity is a concern for that sort of personality.

probably because you also don't see me using the 9/11death toll to justify some petty temper tantrum over the 2016 election.
But yeah, you are the one that needs to be in charge of measuring integrity.

[_subgenius]

The official US death tally at the moment is around 37k. ..

since you're ignorant of statistics but mindful of ye butt hurting, take a moment and provide proof of "official US death tally" being 37k at this moment.
Or you could admit you're wrong and free up some time to admire yourself in the mirror.
you decide.
eta:
also prove the 15k death jump that you say occurred in the past 6 days.
TIA

[Guest]

... your assertion for 35k is the question here, you can't use that to proclaim you are correct about that.
(note that a week ago ABC news reported that US deaths from covid19 hit 20k, and now you are asserting that an additional 15k have died in the past 6 days...kewl).

But for a slow start so as to not overwhelm your TDS hair-fire, consider that over 2k people in the US die every day from heart disease...which is 60k in a 30 day period.
But why letty petty facts and pesky realities get in your way.

‘Petty facts and pesky realities’ report 38K American deaths as of this morning.

Feel free to report your own troofer casualty count, Bright Eyes.

Per the CDC:
"As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statement issued by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease.

A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19. A probable case or death is defined by i) meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19; or ii) meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence; or iii) meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19"

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Jesus Christ we’re witnessing in real time someone who doesn’t understand exponential outbreaks. It’s absolutely astonishing.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

How could the Dow have risen 4 thousand points since the beginning of the month? Did you know that it took 20 years to rise that much after WWII!? I don't believe your ridiculous lies.

*drinks bleach*

[_EAllusion]

[quote]Jesus Christ we’re witnessing in real time someone who doesn’t understand exponential outbreaks. It’s absolutely astonishing.

- Doc[/quote]

His position is both that it is absurd to think that viral outbreaks can grow exponentially and that 10's of thousands of people dying of a novel disease in a month isn't that big of a deal anyway. One is dumb and the other is evil.