When George Floyd was White...

[_huckelberry]

1. You're right that police violence occurs to all manner of people.

2. You're wrong that it occurs "disproportionally" against blacks.
The ONLY disproportion is because blacks simply commit more crime. Period.
The Stats back this up, your fantasy's about reality isn't the same as facts and truth.

There is no difference at all between reported crimes, and black arrests, convictions, and prison time.
The ONLY reason blacks are pulled over more is simply because they don't obey traffic rules as much as whites do. Studies were done that proved this.
And the ONLY reason more black are in prison and sentenced longer is because of the above and the fact that they tend to have longer criminal records, which entirely effects sentencing compared to whites.

Your "systematic" or "institutional" racism claims are 100% LIES...

Ldsfaqs, I am puzzled about how the frequency for which white drivers broke traffic laws could be measured. Without accurate measurement you would not be able to tell how often the traffic law was violated or which group did it the most. I have been on highways with large percentage of vehicles traveling faster than the speed limit. How many of those are being counted? It is a difficult enough problem that it hard not to believe that the only way infractions are counted is by how often traffic ticket are written and to whom.

[_EAllusion]

Here's a huge collection of studies and reports showing systemic racial biases in the criminal justice system at every level:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... ce-system/

One that was new to me was a meta-analysis showing not only are blacks discriminated against, but the darker a black person’s skin color, the worse they’re treated. One, wow. Two, imagine thinking that darkness of skin color differences can be explained by black people's propensity to commit crime.

[_EAllusion]

Study after study finds that police are far more likely to search black people than white people, but find evidence of crime far more often when they search white people. The common sense explanation for this, backed up by a web interrelated issues, is that police have a lower threshold for suspicion for black people than whites, so whites are more likely to be guilty of something when actually searched. Police cast a wider dragnet against blacks, lowering their success rate at finding something. But if your view is that blacks only get searched more because they commit more crimes, this is glaringly contradictory.

[_Some Schmo]

Study after study finds that police are far more likely to search black people than white people, but find evidence of crime far more often when they search white people. The common sense explanation for this, backed up by a web interrelated issues, is that police have a lower threshold for suspicion for black people than whites, so whites are more likely to be guilty of something when actually searched. Police cast a wider dragnet against blacks, lowering their success rate at finding something. But if your view is that blacks only get searched more because they commit more crimes, this is glaringly contradictory.

I imagine white people feeling a greater sense of ease around police might lead them to take more chances as well.

[_DoubtingThomas]

One that was new to me was a meta-analysis showing not only are blacks discriminated against, but the darker a black person’s skin color, the worse they’re treated.

Can you give us a reference?

According to one study, "The disproportionate killing of African Americans by police officers does not appear to be driven by micro-level racism. Rather, it is likely driven by a combination of macro-level public policies that target minority populations and meso-level policies and practices of police forces."

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf ... puar.12956

Menifield, Charles E., Geiguen Shin, and Logan Strother. "Do white law enforcement officers target minority suspects?." Public Administration Review 79.1 (2019): 56-68.

[_EAllusion]

I have a link right in the post.

I looked this up because I was curious about it and it's a consistent finding. Darker skin latinos and blacks are pulled over / searched significantly more frequently as a funciton of how dark their skin tone is and the odds they'll be arrested by police increases likewise as their skin tone darkens. Hard to explain that one in terms of propensity to commit crime unless you think that propensity to commit crime relates to how dark the skin tone is of a black person.

[_Icarus]

A massive study published in May 2020 of 95 million traffic stops by 56 police agencies between 2011 and 2018 found that while black people were much more likely to be pulled over than whites, the disparity lessens at night, when police are less able to distinguish the race of the driver. The study also found that blacks were more likely to be searched after a stop, though whites were more likely to be found with illicit drugs. The darker the sky, the less pronounced the disparity between white and black motorists. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1

[_DoubtingThomas]

I have a link right in the post.

I looked this up because I was curious about it and it's a consistent finding. Darker skin latinos and blacks are pulled over / searched significantly more frequently as a funciton of how dark their skin tone is and the odds they'll be arrested by police increases likewise as their skin tone darkens.

You accused me many times of misusing statistics, remember? Does your statistic control for poverty?

"A 2006 University of Georgia study found that employers of any race prefer light-skinned black men to dark skinned men regardless of their qualifications."
https://time.com/4512430/colorism-in-america/

[_Res Ipsa]

I have a link right in the post.

I looked this up because I was curious about it and it's a consistent finding. Darker skin latinos and blacks are pulled over / searched significantly more frequently as a funciton of how dark their skin tone is and the odds they'll be arrested by police increases likewise as their skin tone darkens.

You accused me many times of misusing statistics, remember? Does your statistic control for poverty?

"A 2006 University of Georgia study found that employers of any race prefer light-skinned black men to dark skinned men regardless of their qualifications."
https://time.com/4512430/colorism-in-america/

The statistic you quoted is consistent with the study EA described. In both cases, light skinned black folks had better outcome than dark-skinned black folks. So why are you accusing him of misusing statistics?

[_DoubtingThomas]

You accused me many times of misusing statistics, remember? Does your statistic control for poverty?

"A 2006 University of Georgia study found that employers of any race prefer light-skinned black men to dark skinned men regardless of their qualifications."
https://time.com/4512430/colorism-in-america/

The statistic you quoted is consistent with the study EAllusion described. In both cases, light skinned black folks had better outcome than dark-skinned black folks. So why are you accusing him of misusing statistics?

Poverty. Dark-skinned people are more likely to be poor because employers are racists, and thepolice happens to target the poor more. I bet a rich dark-skinned black dude would get respected by most cops.