Biden vs. Trump

[_Some Schmo]

I suppose it would be a mystery how Trump was a threat to the Constitution to someone who limited their news sources to Russian propaganda. That makes perfect sense, in fact.

Interesting.

[_honorentheos]

So, prior to taking a russiagate detour, you were commenting on how Trump was a threat to the constitution. How so?

I don't know about others but I'd put threatening to undermine the election process described in the Constitution along with the principle of peaceful transitions of power a threat to the Constitution.

Chris Wallace: (01:07:12)
No. No. No. I have a final [crosstalk 00:13:12]. Gentlemen, I have a final question [crosstalk 01:07:14]-

President Donald J. Trump: (01:07:15)
You know it can’t be done. You know it can’t, and already, there’s been fraud [crosstalk 01:07:19]-

Vice President Joe Biden: (01:07:19)
Mail service delivers [crosstalk 01:07:21] 185 million pieces of mail a day [crosstalk 01:07:24]-

Chris Wallace: (01:07:24)
We can keep talking. In eight states, [crosstalk 01:07:27] election workers are prohibited, currently by law, eight states, from even beginning to process ballots, even take them out of the envelopes and flatten them until election day. That means that it’s likely, because there’s going to be a huge increase in mail-in balloting, that we are not going to know on election night who the winner is, that it could be days. It could be weeks-

President Donald J. Trump: (01:07:50)
Could be months-

Chris Wallace: (01:07:50)
… until we find out who the new president is. First for you, sir. Finally, for the vice president, and I hope neither of you will interrupt the other. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil unrest? And will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified? President Trump, you go first-

President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:16)
I’m urging my supporters to go in to the polls and watch very carefully, because that’s what has to happen. I am urging them to do it. As you know, today there was a big problem. In Philadelphia, they went in to watch. They’re called poll watchers, a very safe, very nice thing. They were thrown out. They weren’t allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen in Philadelphia. Bad things. And I am urging my people. I hope it’s going to be a fair election. If it’s a fair election-

Chris Wallace: (01:08:44)
You’re urging them what?

President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:45)
… I am 100% on board. But if I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can’t go along with that. And I’ll tell you why-

Chris Wallace: (01:08:53)
What does that mean, not go along-

President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:53)
… from a common sense-

Chris Wallace: (01:08:54)
Does that mean you’re going to tell your people-

President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:55)
I’ll tell you what it means-

Chris Wallace: (01:08:55)
… to take to the streets?

President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:56)
It means you have a fraudulent election. You’re sending out 80 million ballots-

Chris Wallace: (01:09:00)
And what would you do about that?

President Donald J. Trump: (01:09:01)
They’re not equipped… These people aren’t equipped to handle it, number one. Number two, they cheat. They cheat. Hey, they found ballots in a wastepaper basket three days ago, and they all had the name military ballots. There were military. They all had the name Trump on them.

Chris Wallace: (01:09:17)
Vice President Biden-

President Donald J. Trump: (01:09:17)
You think that’s good?

Chris Wallace: (01:09:18)
Vice President Biden, final question for you. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted? And will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?

Vice President Joe Biden: (01:09:30)
Yes. And here’s the deal. We count the ballots, as you pointed out. Some of these ballots in some states can’t even be opened until election day. And if there’s thousands of ballots, it’s going to take time to do it. And by the way, our military… They’ve been voting by ballots since the end of the Civil War, in effect. And that’s what’s going to happen. Why is it, for them, somehow not fraudulent. It’s the same process. It’s honest. No one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail-in ballots, that somehow it’s a fraudulent process.

President Donald J. Trump: (01:10:07)
It’s already been established. Take a look at Carolyn Maloney’s race-

Chris Wallace: (01:10:10)
I asked you. You had an opportunity to respond [crosstalk 01:10:13]. Go ahead [crosstalk 01:10:14]. Vice President Biden, go ahead.

Vice President Joe Biden: (01:10:15)
He has no idea what he’s talking about. Here’s the deal. The fact is, I will accept it, and he will too. You know why? Because once the winner is declared after all the ballots are counted, all the votes are counted, that’ll be the end of it. That’ll be the end of it. And if it’s me, in fact, fine. If it’s not me, I’ll support the outcome. And I’ll be a president, not just for the Democrats. I’ll be a president for Democrats and Republicans. And this guy-

President Donald J. Trump: (01:10:41)
I want to see an honest ballot cut-

Chris Wallace: (01:10:43)
Gentlemen, just say that’s the end of it [crosstalk 01:10:45]. This is the end of this debate.

Does this matter to our claim to being a functional democracy? Based on the Constitution?

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ELECTION 2020|Sep 30, 2020,10:54am EDT
Here’s Why Trump Telling Supporters To Watch The Polls Could Be An Even Bigger Threat This Year
Alison DurkeeForbes Staff
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TOPLINE President Donald Trump urged his supporters at the debate Tuesday night to “go into the polls and watch very carefully,” further escalating fears about voter intimidation as Republicans enter the election with more freedom over poll watching than they’ve had in any presidential election since 1980.
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KEY FACTS
Poll watchers, who work at a polling place to ensure votes are correctly counted or point out potential issues, must be appointed in advance and cannot just show up to the polls—instead, each state has their own method for employing poll watchers, and many only allow parties or candidates to appoint one poll watcher per polling place.

Private citizens who aren’t poll watchers are still allowed to challenge voters’ eligibility in many states.


Republican poll watchers have historically been stopped from using methods that could be considered voter intimidation—which is officially illegal under federal law—by a consent decree that’s been in place since 1982, after Democrats sued the Republican National Committee for sending off-duty law enforcement officers as “ballot security” to New Jersey polling places that served predominantly Black and Hispanic voters.

The consent decree has blocked the RNC from using potentially intimidating “ballot security” measures to dissuade Democrats at polling places, and made it possible for Democrats to hold Republicans in contempt of court if they do.

The consent decree continued to be extended over the ensuing decades, but ultimately expired in 2018, making 2020 the first presidential election since 1980 without the consent decree in place and in which the RNC’s poll watchers won’t have their activities restricted by the courts.

[_moksha]

That urging of Trump's supporters to clog up and interfere with polling places sounds terrible.

[_honorentheos]

That urging of Trump's supporters to clog up and interfere with polling places sounds terrible.

Intimidation of opposition voters is something one expects from despots. He has his idols among other world leaders and apparently is happy to take a page out of their books.

[_MeDotOrg]

I did not know about the expiration of the consent decree. Again, great information. Thanks, honor.

[_Kishkumen]

So, prior to taking a russiagate detour, you were commenting on how Trump was a threat to the constitution. How so? Please explain. Perhaps you can convert a poor soul to the hysteria you and your brethren feel about the clown called the donald. I think he is simply a lucky clown that got elected due to some miscalculations by Hillary and her camp. I don't see him as a danger to all we hold dear. I think most people are tired of the guy and will reluctantly elect another corporate stooge who may be senile. So, problem solved.

As honor has pointed out, Trump is doing his level best to interfere with the 2020 election. He uses the DOJ as his own legal service. He habitually breaks the emoluments clause. The list goes on. He is a threat to the Constitution because he does not understand it, does not care, and breaks the law on a regular basis. Our republic depends both on the letter of the law and many norms and traditions. When an individual with sufficient power, or a party, regularly violates the laws, traditions, and norms of a republic, that republic is in danger. Similar problems led to the unraveling of the Roman republic.

No one is being hysterical in worrying about Trump. They are being historically informed and/or duly cautious.

[_Philo Sofee]

So, prior to taking a russiagate detour, you were commenting on how Trump was a threat to the constitution. How so? Please explain. Perhaps you can convert a poor soul to the hysteria you and your brethren feel about the clown called the donald. I think he is simply a lucky clown that got elected due to some miscalculations by Hillary and her camp. I don't see him as a danger to all we hold dear. I think most people are tired of the guy and will reluctantly elect another corporate stooge who may be senile. So, problem solved.

As honor has pointed out, Trump is doing his level best to interfere with the 2020 election. He uses the DOJ as his own legal service. He habitually breaks the emoluments clause. The list goes on. He is a threat to the Constitution because he does not understand it, does not care, and breaks the law on a regular basis. Our republic depends both on the letter of the law and many norms and traditions. When an individual with sufficient power, or a party, regularly violates the laws, traditions, and norms of a republic, that republic is in danger. Similar problems led to the unraveling of the Roman republic.

No one is being hysterical in worrying about Trump. They are being historically informed and/or duly cautious.

Very well said...

[_MeDotOrg]

So, prior to taking a russiagate detour, you were commenting on how Trump was a threat to the constitution. How so? Please explain. Perhaps you can convert a poor soul to the hysteria you and your brethren feel about the clown called the donald. I think he is simply a lucky clown that got elected due to some miscalculations by Hillary and her camp. I don't see him as a danger to all we hold dear. I think most people are tired of the guy and will reluctantly elect another corporate stooge who may be senile. So, problem solved.

Man, there is a lot to unpack. So and Trump and Biden both corporate stooges, tweedle-dum and tweedle -dee?

I try to engage on the issues, but when a President of the United States will not commit to observing the outcome of an election, and you say both candidates are the same, I not only disagree with you, but I wonder how you deliberately ignore those issues which separate the two men. Donald Trump HAS ASKED PEOPLE TO VOTE TWICE. He has not agreed to respect the vote of the American People. He is deliberating sabotaging our faith in our democratic institutions.

When you ask someone to vote twice, Dr. Exiled, you are an enemy of democracy. I don't understand why you don't get that.

[_Jersey Girl]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I won the debate big, based on compilation of polls etc. Thank you!
9:14 AM · Oct 1, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Okay let's start here. The President doesn't know the difference between a debate and a cage match.

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Trumpy Trumpy (parody)
@outofcontroljb
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@realDonaldTrump
"I won the debate big, based on compilation of polls, etc. Thank you!" he yelled into his Fisher-Price phone

Let me revise.

The President doesn't know the difference between a debate and an overgrown toddler tantrum.

[_Gunnar]

Let me revise.

The President doesn't know the difference between a debate and an overgrown toddler tantrum.

I like your revision. It is much more accurate.