Gunnar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:03 amAfter all, didn't he clearly admit to that very thing?Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:56 am
He could read?
Do yourself a favor and don't project your own behavior on to him. You're dealing with a troll, not someone with a desire to learn.
Katherine Hayhoe wrote:I don’t accept global warming on faith: I crunch the data, I analyze the models, I help engineers and city managers and ecologists quantify the impacts.
The data tells us the planet is warming; the science is clear that humans are responsible; the impacts we’re seeing today are already serious; and our future is in our hands. As John Holdren once said, “We basically have three choices: mitigation, adaptation, and suffering. We’re going to do some of each. The question is what the mix is going to be. The more mitigation we do, the less adaptation will be required, and the less suffering there will be.”
You don't have me on ignore. And it's not my fault you're in a cult.Gunnar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:57 pmI have seen very little evidence that he is interested in learning anything that conflicts with what he already believes. That's why I have him on ignore.Manetho wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:59 pmIf Atlanticmike were interested in learning anything, he could read about wet-bulb temperatures.
Not collapse; the other way around. My understanding is that carbon dioxide diffuses between the ocean and the atmosphere. That article I just linked actually says before the industrial age, carbon dioxide trickled into the atmosphere from the ocean.Doc Cam wrote:I’d like to see where CO2 absorption changes due to a collapse in the ocean currents which causes ‘reducing it’ and that somehow triggers an Ice age. I’m not being adversarial, but I’m a little lost in the causalities.
But now the ocean absorbs huge amounts of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, but it can only absorb so much. If you google around, there are suggestions for extracting carbon from the oceans in order to allow the ocean to absorb more from the atmosphere.The constant atmospheric CO 2 concentrations in the centuries prior to the Industrial Revolution suggest that the oceans released a small amount of CO 2 to the atmosphere to balance the carbon input from rivers
Yup. One very good pointer for evangelicals is in Genesis 2:Gunnar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:05 amIt can't be overemphasized that contrary to the disinformation so eagerly believed and disseminated by too many conservatives, there is no inherent conflict between religious faith and accepting the conclusions of the overwhelming majority of climate and atmospheric scientists.
The man is is put into the ideal garden that God has created, to perform the job of 'working the ground'.5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
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15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it
It is clear this is God's garden, in which he walks for relaxation in the cool of the evening - and perhaps to inspect the work of his gardening staff, to whom Eve has recently been added. But because the personnel know they have broken the owner's strict injunction not to eat fruit from the tree he has forbidden, they are hiding in the bushes ... which is another story.8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
Katharine Hayhoe Assailed by Angry Climate Denier in AustinKatharine Hayhoe wrote:
I don’t accept global warming on faith: I crunch the data, I analyze the models, I help engineers and city managers and ecologists quantify the impacts.
The data tells us the planet is warming; the science is clear that humans are responsible; the impacts we’re seeing today are already serious; and our future is in our hands. As John Holdren once said, “We basically have three choices: mitigation, adaptation, and suffering. We’re going to do some of each. The question is what the mix is going to be. The more mitigation we do, the less adaptation will be required, and the less suffering there will be.”
Katharine Hayhoe - Communicating Science In A Religious ContextClimate change includes both human-induced global warming and its large-scale impacts on weather patterns. There have been previous periods of climate change, but the current changes are more rapid than any known events in Earth's history.
What We KnowKatharine Hayhoe is an atmospheric scientist and associate professor of political science at Texas Tech University. She's become a star in the climate science communication world with how effective she can communicate climate science to Christians. This is in part because she is an evangelical Christian herself. In this tidbit from our interview with her she talks about science communication and how her style was received.
Her TED talk, The Most Important Thing You Can Do About Climate Change: Talk About It has received nearly 4 million views and her new book, Saving Us: A Climate Scientist's Case for Hope and Healing in a Divided World was released in September 2021.Katharine Hayhoe wrote:I’m an optimist by nature, but the more time that passes without doing anything enormously large to solve this problem, the more concerned I get. The further down the path we go, the more effort that’s required.
ETA: Believe it or not, Dr. Hayhoe is neither a Democrat or a liberal. As she likes to stress, the reading on the thermometer does not depend on whether the person reading it is a Liberal or Conservative. Climate change is most emphatically not and never should have been just or even mainly a political issue.How do you talk to someone who doesn't believe in climate change? Not by rehashing the same data and facts we've been discussing for years, says climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe. In this inspiring, pragmatic talk, Hayhoe shows how the key to having a real discussion is to connect over shared values like family, community and religion -- and to prompt people to realize that they already care about a changing climate. "We can't give in to despair," she says. "We have to go out and look for the hope we need to inspire us to act -- and that hope begins with a conversation, today."
The Guardian wrote:This year has provided bitter evidence that even current levels of warming are disastrous, with astounding floods in Germany and China, Hades-like fires from Canada to California to Greece and rain, rather than snow, falling for the first time at the summit of a rapidly melting Greenland. “No amount of global warming can be considered safe and people are already dying from climate change,” said Amanda Maycock, an expert in climate dynamics at the University of Leeds.
A “heat dome” that pulverized previous temperature records in the US’s Pacific northwest in June, killing hundreds of people as well as a billion sea creatures roasted alive in their shells off the coast, would’ve been “virtually impossible” if human activity hadn’t heated the planet, scientists have calculated, while the German floods were made nine times more likely by the climate crisis. “The fingerprint of climate change on recent extreme weather is quite clear,” said Michael Wehner, who specializes in climate attribution at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. “But even I am surprised by the number and scale of weather disasters in 2021.”
When I opened the door to go outside, I gasped from the cold air hitting me in the face, that hasn't happened for months. I turned around and went back in to put pants on, definitely not wearing shorts today. I blame it on climate change.Manetho wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:52 am"The climate disaster is here — This is what the future looks like"
The Guardian wrote:This year has provided bitter evidence that even current levels of warming are disastrous, with astounding floods in Germany and China, Hades-like fires from Canada to California to Greece and rain, rather than snow, falling for the first time at the summit of a rapidly melting Greenland. “No amount of global warming can be considered safe and people are already dying from climate change,” said Amanda Maycock, an expert in climate dynamics at the University of Leeds.
A “heat dome” that pulverized previous temperature records in the US’s Pacific northwest in June, killing hundreds of people as well as a billion sea creatures roasted alive in their shells off the coast, would’ve been “virtually impossible” if human activity hadn’t heated the planet, scientists have calculated, while the German floods were made nine times more likely by the climate crisis. “The fingerprint of climate change on recent extreme weather is quite clear,” said Michael Wehner, who specializes in climate attribution at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. “But even I am surprised by the number and scale of weather disasters in 2021.”
Born in a climate-change affected South Pacific Island, Vaitea Cowan co-founded Enapter to turn back the tide. Just three years on, its green hydrogen technology could change the way we power our world.
We have made huge advances in renewable energy. But we can still go further. With 30% of our energy already renewable, we need to focus on the 70% that remains: non-renewable energy that powers everything from industry to transport.
Enapter provides a clean alternative. Its AEM Electrolyser technology turns renewable electricity into emission-free hydrogen gas. Developed quicker and cheaper than once thought possible, the technology already fuels cars and planes, powers industry and heats homes.
This is just the start. Funding from winning The Earthshot Prize would help scale mass production, which is planned to begin in 2022, while growing the team faster and funding further research and development. By 2050, Enapter’s vision is to account for 10% of the world’s hydrogen generation.
Enapter shows us that, when faced with the greatest of challenges, we can turn back the tide.
You sure do use "us" and"we" a lot when discussing climate change. What do "you" do to fight climate change? Here! Let's start with last night. Did you run your HVAC system? Why? While sleeping, you could've regulated your body temperature by decreasing or increasing the number of blankets you use while sleeping. Winter is coming. You could use your HVAC system in the winter to make sure your pipes don't freeze buy setting your HVAC system to 50 degrees. Then just wear a lot of clothes to stay warm. Why do you CHOOSE to turn your system up to a higher temperature knowing it's not good for the climate? Do you drive an automobile? Why? 100s of factories have to burn fossil fuels to make the 1000s of parts found on a typical automobile. Why don't you ride a bike and set an example for everyone else? Are you a Vegan? If not, why? Animals belching and farting are adding to the overall climate problem. You could be getting your protein from plants. Have you ever used Amazon or another online vendor then had something you bought delivered to your house? Why?? Are you telling me you think having a big gas guzzling cargo van delivering items 16 hours a day is helping the climate problem? Do you only buy locally so the items you buy don't have to travel 100s to 1000s of miles in a tractor trailer, or boat from China? How bout food? Do you grow your own food? Do you collect your own water or do you rely on your local municipality to pump water to you by using electric water pumps? Do you compost everything you can? Do you bag leaves and send them to the dump? Did you have more than one child, why? Why not have no children and save mother earth?Chap wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:39 amSo how about hearing about some measures that will help us deal with the fact that we now have a growing climate crisis on our hands, and that we urgently need to slow the rate at which we are pumping CO2 into the atmosphere to help the earth get hotter faster?
A couple of urgent needs require ways of dealing with them:
1. How can we deal with the fact that there are many purposes for which a gas that burns is extremely convenient, but it is a bad idea to burn cases that produce CO2 as a combustion product, like natural gas or coal gas?
2. How can we find a way of storing electrical energy from renewable energy sources that vary in their power output depending on environmental conditions?
At the Earthshot Prizes award ceremony in London last night, five prizes were awarded to projects judged to be 'the most innovative solutions to the greatest environmental challenges facing our planet'. Each winner gets USD 1 million in funding, plus access to 'a global network of professional and technical support to scale these cutting-edge environmental solutions'.
One of the prizes went to a project that offers solutions to both the needs above, by producing clean hydrogen gas using renewable electricity to electrolyse water (i.e. it takes the H2O molecule of water, and splits it apart into its component parts of hydrogen and oxygen). Burning hydrogen in air gives you a flame temperature of around 2000 centigrade, slightly hotter than a butane/propane mix. And of course you can easily store the resultant gas for later use, either by burning it or using it to drive an internal combustion engine for mechanical power generation (maybe in a vehicle), or getting electrical output by passing the stored hydrogen through a fuel cell,
AEM ELECTROLYSER
Born in a climate-change affected South Pacific Island, Vaitea Cowan co-founded Enapter to turn back the tide. Just three years on, its green hydrogen technology could change the way we power our world.
We have made huge advances in renewable energy. But we can still go further. With 30% of our energy already renewable, we need to focus on the 70% that remains: non-renewable energy that powers everything from industry to transport.
Enapter provides a clean alternative. Its AEM Electrolyser technology turns renewable electricity into emission-free hydrogen gas. Developed quicker and cheaper than once thought possible, the technology already fuels cars and planes, powers industry and heats homes.
This is just the start. Funding from winning The Earthshot Prize would help scale mass production, which is planned to begin in 2022, while growing the team faster and funding further research and development. By 2050, Enapter’s vision is to account for 10% of the world’s hydrogen generation.
Enapter shows us that, when faced with the greatest of challenges, we can turn back the tide.
The main website of the project is HERE - as you can see they have already been successful in marketing their units to a wide variety of customers. This is not just somebody's bright idea: this is already working practically and commercially. And the basic materials are simply water, and sunshine or wind.
