Joseph used a hat to translate because his eyes were tired...

[Rivendale]

Maybe so, but they didn't want to go down with him. Admitting to lying or exaggerating is a serious thing when you're trying to make a living and establish yourself in a community and/or maintain respect. They rode it out and learned to accept the consequences of their actions. They made their beds.

On their death beds? No effing way.

Those people that flew planes into a building would never do something like that.

[drumdude]

Remember that part where the Book of Mormon itself (not the intro page) made any of those claims?

A yes, it wasn't the Book of Mormon, it was the book of plausible deniability.

Did you have to look up the apologist response? I have a feeling you've never been a member of the church if you didn't know most members considered native americans to be lamanites.

[Shulem]

Maybe so, but they didn't want to go down with him. Admitting to lying or exaggerating is a serious thing when you're trying to make a living and establish yourself in a community and/or maintain respect. They rode it out and learned to accept the consequences of their actions. They made their beds.

On their death beds? No effing way.

Legacy. Oh the legacy one leaves behind. Understand ye not that?

[Sledge]

A yes, it wasn't the Book of Mormon, it was the book of plausible deniability.

Did you have to look up the apologist response? I have a feeling you've never been a member of the church if you didn't know most members considered native americans to be lamanites.

Most members? Have you polled “most members?” Because you believed something does not mean everyone else did, too.

[Sledge]

Legacy. Oh the legacy one leaves behind. Understand ye not that?

Who cares about legacy if yer dead?

[Sledge]

Those people that flew planes into a building would never do something like that.

I almost didn’t dignify this with a response. I’ll be delighted to see how you think this makes any sense in light of the discussion.

[Shulem]

Legacy. Oh the legacy one leaves behind. Understand ye not that?

Who cares about legacy if yer dead?

Lots of people care. Lots of people have lived their lives and fought to secure a legacy they would feel right about leaving behind them. Maybe someday you'll fit into that category. Perhaps.

[huckelberry]

I like the rock in the hat story. It is one of my favorite pieces of Joseph Smith lore. I find it understandable that people do not make pictures of the head in the hat. It is not a good visual. It looks a bit like a person eating their soup by putting their head in the bowl. I like hats and I like stone and enjoyed the story. If God wanted to send a long text to Joseph Smith I cannot think of any better way than a stone in a hat. Now I suppose there are other possibilities. There could even be ways less inclined to create smirks. But smirkers will smirk. lets have the stone in the hat.

[drumdude]

A yes, it wasn't the Book of Mormon, it was the book of plausible deniability.

Did you have to look up the apologist response? I have a feeling you've never been a member of the church if you didn't know most members considered native americans to be lamanites.

Most members? Have you polled “most members?” Because you believed something does not mean everyone else did, too.

Did you never interact with anyone in the ward?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I like hats and I like stone ...

I love this board.



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