Those people that flew planes into a building would never do something like that.Sledge wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:35 pmOn their death beds? No effing way.Shulem wrote:
Maybe so, but they didn't want to go down with him. Admitting to lying or exaggerating is a serious thing when you're trying to make a living and establish yourself in a community and/or maintain respect. They rode it out and learned to accept the consequences of their actions. They made their beds.
Joseph used a hat to translate because his eyes were tired...
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A yes, it wasn't the Book of Mormon, it was the book of plausible deniability.
Did you have to look up the apologist response? I have a feeling you've never been a member of the church if you didn't know most members considered native americans to be lamanites.
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Sledge wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:35 pmOn their death beds? No effing way.Shulem wrote:
Maybe so, but they didn't want to go down with him. Admitting to lying or exaggerating is a serious thing when you're trying to make a living and establish yourself in a community and/or maintain respect. They rode it out and learned to accept the consequences of their actions. They made their beds.
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Most members? Have you polled “most members?” Because you believed something does not mean everyone else did, too.drumdude wrote:
A yes, it wasn't the Book of Mormon, it was the book of plausible deniability.
Did you have to look up the apologist response? I have a feeling you've never been a member of the church if you didn't know most members considered native americans to be lamanites.
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Who cares about legacy if yer dead?Shulem wrote:
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I almost didn’t dignify this with a response. I’ll be delighted to see how you think this makes any sense in light of the discussion.Rivendale wrote:
Those people that flew planes into a building would never do something like that.
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Lots of people care. Lots of people have lived their lives and fought to secure a legacy they would feel right about leaving behind them. Maybe someday you'll fit into that category. Perhaps.
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I like the rock in the hat story. It is one of my favorite pieces of Joseph Smith lore. I find it understandable that people do not make pictures of the head in the hat. It is not a good visual. It looks a bit like a person eating their soup by putting their head in the bowl. I like hats and I like stone and enjoyed the story. If God wanted to send a long text to Joseph Smith I cannot think of any better way than a stone in a hat. Now I suppose there are other possibilities. There could even be ways less inclined to create smirks. But smirkers will smirk. lets have the stone in the hat.
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Did you never interact with anyone in the ward?Sledge wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:51 amMost members? Have you polled “most members?” Because you believed something does not mean everyone else did, too.drumdude wrote:
A yes, it wasn't the Book of Mormon, it was the book of plausible deniability.
Did you have to look up the apologist response? I have a feeling you've never been a member of the church if you didn't know most members considered native americans to be lamanites.
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