Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:16 pmI didn't say you should stop going to work. I said stop driving a car and fxxxing up the planet. I never said stop taking a shower. I said stop taking a hot shower so you don't fxxx up the planet by heating water with either electricity or gas. I never said stop heating your home. Why did you do it in the last couple days like I asked? I never said stop eating meat or vegetables. I ask why you didn't raise your own meat and vegetables instead of buying them at a grocery store. You see!! People like you, chap and Gunner will read and learn all about climate change, but you're never willing to make REAL changes because you're hypocrites. You spend hours reading and understanding climate change when you could be spending that time riding a bike instead of driving or raising your own meat instead of buying it from the store. You see! I'm a man of action, I practice what I preach! You're a man of inaction, so you "learn" about climate change so you seem smart and knowledgeable to your friends and somehow in your mind your supposed knowledge helps you feel justified with your inaction.Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:40 pm
If I stopped driving to work, taking hot showers, heating my home, eating meat, eating vegetables, etc., it would not change the temperature of the atmosphere. The notion that, unless I become a hermit to no effect whatsoever, I can't propose measures that can have an effect, is just silly. I don't know why you think that's any kind of effective argument – it just makes you sound ignorant.
I'm perfectly willing to have measures that will be effective in getting us to zero emissions affect me the same as they will affect everyone else, so I'm being completely consistent. I'm just not into satisfy your demand for ineffective virtue signaling.
You ever heard of the 3Ds? There's the Dreamers, the Debaters and the Doers. When it comes to climate change you're a debater! Which is pretty much useless. I'm a doer! I make change while you study it.
You're trying to BS a guy who bullshits for a living! You're not a "man of action" on climate change. You just take stuff you do for other reasons and try to spin it as fighting climate change.
I would be a hypocrite if I proposed making changes that I was somehow exempt from. I'm not. You clearly do not understand the magnitude of the change that we need to make to stop heating the atmosphere. Raising chickens and riding your bike does just about zero to reduce greenhouse emissions. It's just a flat out dumb argument.
You actually have no idea what I've personally done to reduce my energy consumption, so you're just making noise now.
Getting to net zero greenhouse gas emissions requires retooling our system of producing electricity and our methods of transportation. It can't be done through individual, voluntary effort. Growing some veggies and poultry doesn't get us there by a long shot. Useless virtue signaling.