The Idea of Secession

[ceeboo]

I’ll give my perspective on the tyfys thing. Civility and appreciation is a good thing. If you want to drop a tyfys on someone, then do it, because it’s your ethos to be decent. This morning my wife bagged up our leftover Halloween candy, wrote a note to the letter carrier, and thanked them for everything they do. I agree with the note. I’m grateful to people who bring us stuff. It’s nice, and I don’t mind telling people thank you when they do something meaningful to me.

So. You do you. Act iaw your sense of right and wrong.

- Doc

Yeah - after thinking about this for the last day - that's where I landed - Meaning, Just do me and don't worry about possible reactions that I have no control over anyway. Although, It was valuable to me to hear the perspectives that I hadn't considered before.

[Cultellus]

I too have been a bit set back by this conversation.

I worked for years in the VA system. My work was limited with the vets seeking care. I would call it tangential or intermittent. That was not the purpose of me being there. I worked with MANY veterans who were employed by the VA, and I still have contact with many of them. I had not considered how a simple term, shared almost as simply as saying "take care" to a stranger or acquaintance, could be taken as condescending and non-empathetic. That caught me off-guard. I guess I suck like that.

My experience in dealing with vets has been that it is always better to be sincere and authentic, not patronizing. TYFYS can be said in a patronizing way, or it can delivered authentically. This feels like something not worth parsing too much, where being a good person to another good person would resolve the possibility of miscommunication.

[Some Schmo]

I’ll give my perspective on the tyfys thing. Civility and appreciation is a good thing. If you want to drop a tyfys on someone, then do it, because it’s your ethos to be decent. This morning my wife bagged up our leftover Halloween candy, wrote a note to the letter carrier, and thanked them for everything they do. I agree with the note. I’m grateful to people who bring us stuff. It’s nice, and I don’t mind telling people thank you when they do something meaningful to me.

So. You do you. Act iaw your sense of right and wrong.

- Doc

I imagine what's important is not the words but the delivery. If you really mean it, that should be communicated in your tone and body language.

[Cultellus]

I’ll give my perspective on the tyfys thing. Civility and appreciation is a good thing. If you want to drop a tyfys on someone, then do it, because it’s your ethos to be decent. This morning my wife bagged up our leftover Halloween candy, wrote a note to the letter carrier, and thanked them for everything they do. I agree with the note. I’m grateful to people who bring us stuff. It’s nice, and I don’t mind telling people thank you when they do something meaningful to me.

So. You do you. Act iaw your sense of right and wrong.

- Doc

I imagine what's important is not the words but the delivery. If you really mean it, that should be communicated in your tone and body language.

This effing guy.

[Some Schmo]

It's too bad we couldn't get a It's a Wonderful Life-like glimpse at what secession for this country would look like, specifically ajaxland. I have no doubt most people would be just as relived as George Bailey once they woke up and realized it wasn't real, kissing and hugging all the loved ones they thought they lost.

[Morley]

I’ll give my perspective on the tyfys thing. Civility and appreciation is a good thing. If you want to drop a tyfys on someone, then do it, because it’s your ethos to be decent. This morning my wife bagged up our leftover Halloween candy, wrote a note to the letter carrier, and thanked them for everything they do. I agree with the note. I’m grateful to people who bring us stuff. It’s nice, and I don’t mind telling people thank you when they do something meaningful to me.

So. You do you. Act iaw your sense of right and wrong.

- Doc

I imagine what's important is not the words but the delivery. If you really mean it, that should be communicated in your tone and body language.

I completely agree.

[Some Schmo]

Let's see how many soldiers currently want to fight for Biden and how many would fight for Trump.

-_-

- Doc

I've never served, but it's my impression most members of our military want to fight for our country and each other, not for some dude serving office.

Am I wrong about that, Doc?

[Morley]

Ajax's statement "Most soldiers are in the army for financial reasons. If they're willing to fight, they'll be willing to settle the new lands" is a good example of this trivialization, condescension, and taking the troops for granted. It's as if he thinks soldiers are another inferior class, willing to do society's dirty work for a few pieces of silver.

You're pretty far off on this one. it doesn't matter to me that you think this. I never served in the military. I have nothing but respect for those that did and certainly don't see them as an inferior class of people. They're a superior class to me for sure. But my veteran friends on the right know that.

Despite your stupid comments, I take you at your word on this, Ajax.

[canpakes]

-_-

- Doc

I've never served, but it's my impression most members of our military want to fight for our country and each other, not for some dude serving office.

Am I wrong about that, Doc?

No, our fighting men and women only want to follow orders from a guy who dodged service up to 5 times through deferments.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

-_-

- Doc

I've never served, but it's my impression most members of our military want to fight for our country and each other, not for some dude serving office.

Am I wrong about that, Doc?

Ajax: Servicemembers join the military out of financial motives.

Also Ajax: Servicemembers fight for the President.

Schmo,

It was my impression that most servicemembers didn’t want to fight at all. Our motivations to serve were as varied as they themselves were, but I didn’t come across any who openly wished for a combat deployment until I served with USASOC*. By then we were already balls deep in Afghanistan and Iraq (and some asymmetrical areas of conflict). Not once, and I mean not one time, did I ever hear anyone utter a desire to fight on behalf of a politician or political party. That’s an absurdity only a monumental dumbass would say.

* This was in context of killing, capturing, or overthrowing the enemy. It was less psychopathic and more professional. Psychopaths were usually vetted out of service, though a few here and there made it to a line unit and committed a war crime - they were subjected to the UCMJ. In USASOC, it was pretty difficult for psychopaths to make it in because of the heavy vetting process.

Also, the whole fighting for each other thing is more ‘you made friends with people in your unit’ and didn’t want to see them die or injured, but it didn’t really translate into ‘we’ll fight real good cuz they muh bruthas in arms’. But truth be told, that saying, that you’re fighting for the guys on your left and right isn’t really true. You’re just hoping you don’t catch a round or get blown up by an IED. That’s probably 99% of your “motivation.”

- Doc