Will VA be like Florida or PA?

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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:14 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:37 pm
As Xeno pointed out, cries of fraud have evaporated as the Virginia race is wrapping up. It’s actually kind of amazing how throaty they were last night, that Democrats were going to stuff the ballot box with dead people, or double counting, or getting rid of Repub ballots - all the usual stuff. Now? I’m not seeing anything being said about fraud.

Huh. Weird.

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Oh I wouldn't doubt there wasn't still fraud going on. Sadly, Youngkins victory means nothing as the legislature is still controlled by far left Democrats. Republicans replacing the Loudon County school board and district attorney that insisted on arresting and jailing Scott Smith for stating that his daughter was raped by a gender fluid boy in a skirt in the girls bathroom, would be a far more meaningful victory. But that's never going to happen. Secession is still the only way to really stop this.
Oh Ajax. F me running. There ain't gonna be a secession, so, you're gonna have to find another way to feel resolved even if this is not resolved. There are lot of sex offenders out there, and a lot of people making excuses for sex offenders. Getting all wrapped around the axle because of a juvenile sex offender seems like more of a tantrum than a genuine concern, frankly.

The DA is probably just a wanker who can't make hard decisions, and that is a real process issue I would consider looking at. But this drama over juvenile delinquents and turning it into a national crisis or mandate is a bit out of hand, or a lot out of hand.
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Xenophon wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:10 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:56 pm
I am surprised that the number is that low. I would have predicted it to be much higher. That is progress, in my opinion.
Fair enough. For additional context, only 47% were very confident and 35% were somewhat confident(That was CNN exit poll but others are nearly identical) . I'd hope the "very confident" would be much higher.
I watched a good rant with an explanation of exit polling yesterday. The angle this dude was carrying on about was that exit polling should be banned entirely. He says it is unethical. But, he says that the real reason to ban it is that it is 100% garbage. Who really knows what anyone thinks if the source is a poll taken in the peak of a charged event?

The confidence level after Bush/Gore probably dipped. I think the dip after the 2020 mess with the vote by mail and the ballots after dark and the Kraken and the B.S., will take a LONG time to go recover.
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“It’s not taught in Virginia and it’s never been taught in Virginia,” McAuliffe said recently. “And as I’ve said this a lot, it’s a dog whistle. It’s racial, it’s division and it’s used by Glenn Youngkin and others, it’s the same thing with Trump and the border wall, to divide people. We should not be dividing people in school.”

But City Journal’s Christopher Rufo, an anti-critical race theory writer, tweeted today that he could “debunk that lie.” Rufo shared screenshots in which the state’s education department described critical race theory as a “best practice.”

Read that memo, especially the first and last parts.

critical race theory isn’t taught in schools, and it isn’t labeled a best practice.
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That will never happen, politicians, lobbyists, and news media alike all value it too highly to get rid of it. You (or he) are right that you shouldn't put all your eggs in that basket but all polling is built on some uncertainty. I'm not quite ready to throw it all out based on how well they did the last two elections, especially when combined with modeling systems.
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:14 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:37 pm
As Xeno pointed out, cries of fraud have evaporated as the Virginia race is wrapping up. It’s actually kind of amazing how throaty they were last night, that Democrats were going to stuff the ballot box with dead people, or double counting, or getting rid of Repub ballots - all the usual stuff. Now? I’m not seeing anything being said about fraud.

Huh. Weird.

- Doc
Oh I wouldn't doubt there wasn't still fraud going on. Sadly, Youngkins victory means nothing as the legislature is still controlled by far left Democrats. Republicans replacing the Loudon County school board and district attorney that insisted on arresting and jailing Scott Smith for stating that his daughter was raped by a gender fluid boy in a skirt in the girls bathroom, would be a far more meaningful victory. But that's never going to happen. Secession is still the only way to really stop this.
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Getting all wrapped around the axle because of a juvenile sex offender seems like more of a tantrum than a genuine concern, frankly.
This quote from Ben Shapiro's podcast shows why Virginia parents were upset and perhaps why the Democrats lost the support of suburban mothers. Without the daily wire reporting on these events, Youngkin doesn't even come close to winning this election. Look for more arrests of parents who speak out about what's really happening. Unless they can control the flow of information as well as they did during the Trump years, the Democrats could very well lose their grip on political power as early as 2022.
First, it was in early spring of 2020 when my six-year-old somberly came to me and asked me if she was born evil, because she was a white person, something she learned in a history lesson at school. Then you kept the schools closed for a year and a half. Despite the science educating that it was safe for kids to return. And now you've covered up a rape, then arrested, humiliated, and falsely accused her parents of being domestic terrorists. I wish I could return my kids to LCPs. Private school is expensive, and I want my kids to be able to walk home from school, with their friends and their own community. I refuse to allow you to destroy our schools. They are not your schools. They are our schools. You all should be ashamed and you should have the moral courage to admit you are wrong and [step] down.

Ben: Okay? So in one second, we'll get to more talk about critical race theory in Virginia schools, because yes, it exists. It does. I'm sorry. When you're teaching Romex Kennedy children's books to small children, that is critical race theory. We'll get to more on this in just one second.

So again, the case keeps being made that if you are a parent, you're not supposed to be worried about critical race theory in schools. You're not supposed to worry about what these teachers are, teaching your kids at all. And yet, according to Fox news, Andrew Mark Miller reporting the phrase critical race theory appears on the Virginia department of education website. Despite Terrell McAuliffe's repeated claims. The curriculum is not taught in Virginia on the Virginia department of education website. Several examples of the department promoting critical race theory can be found including a presentation from 2015 when Terry McAuliffe was governor that encourages teachers to embrace critical race theory in order to re-engineer attitudes and belief systems. Additionally, superintendent memo 0 5, 0 19 can be found on the site from February, 2019, promoting both critical race theory and the idea of white fragility also in 2019 under democratic governor, Ralph Northam, superintendent of public instruction, James Lane sends a memo to Virginia public schools, endorsing foundations of critical race theory in education as an important tool that can further spur developments in education.

All of that via Citi journals, Chris Rufo who's done. Excellent. Excellent work on this entire issue. McAuliffe campaigns did not respond to request for comment on the presence of critical race theory in Virginia public schools, neither did the Virginia department of education in June officials in Louden county acknowledged that critical race theory influenced their work in July. It was revealed that a Virginia school district spent 30 grand on critical race theory training for administrators. And yet they continue to maintain the lie that any parent who's worried about. This is simply crazy that any parent who is upset about the possibility of their children being taught the racial essentialism represented by critical race theory is crazy. Now again, this isn't, there, there is an inherent component of critical race theory that teaches that there is guilt that attaches you by dent of your race.
You premises of critical race theory include that racism is not aberrational is part of the system. It is embedded in every system also that it serves white interests for racism to be embedded in every system. Also that race is a social construct, but simultaneously that your racial status in the states gives you expertise to speak on issues that other people cannot speak on, which is a form of racial essentialism, right? All of those promises by the way, are specified by Richard Delgado and <inaudible> who actually wrote the critical theory, critical race theory, introduction in primer. And yet again, the case is made by Democrats that we're all supposed to ignore this. And if you don't ignore this, you're a racist. It's just not going to play. It's not going to. In fact, I recommend strongly that every Democrat continue to run on the basis that everyone worried about this is crazy and or racist.
One Williams has a piece over at the hill, literally titled parent's rights is code for white race policies. Okay? So parent's rights is code for white race. Politics is the name of the piece. Really? So if I want rights over how my children are educated and raised that's code for I'm a racist. Now I thought that was code for, I want to raise my own children. And I don't think that you should be teaching values that contradict my own because they're my kids, not your kids. And I'm delegating teaching to you with the proviso that you not indoctrinate them in a bunch of racially ignorant nonsense, but here's what one Williams writes.

He says now Republican Virginia Republicans are back with a new and improved cultural wars campaign for 2021. The closing argument is once again, full of racial division. This time it is dressed up as a defense of little children. The rallying cry is parents' rights. It's a campaign to stop classroom discussion of black lives matter, protesters slavery, because it could upset some children, especially white children who might feel guilt. Okay? Literally, no one is saying that you can't teach your children about slavery. All we are saying is that you cannot say that every discrepancy in American life is brought about because the systems of the United States are inherently evil. That we're saying you can't teach because it's false. But of course you can teach kids events, honest to God. I wonder whether these people have ever been inside a classroom. Of course, kids are being taught about slavery. Is there a child in America who doesn't know about the evils of slavery?
The DA is probably just a wanker who can't make hard decisions, and that is a real process issue I would consider looking at. But this drama over juvenile delinquents and turning it into a national crisis or mandate is a bit out of hand, or a lot out of hand.
The DA is an unhinged liberal who wants to end incarceration for everyone except her political opponents.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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Have you considered the mother was lying?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:24 pm
Have you considered the mother was lying?

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Or the kid? Seriously. I have heard of kids making stuff up too. I told my teacher that my house burned down and it burned up the clocks and that is why I was late for school that day. Kids do that.

This is just one hell of a mess.

Can I tell you how much I hate when these local and family issues are blown into national ideological issues? If not, let me know and I will retract the question. It just seems like some things are meant to be fought for and resolved at a local or family level, and not like this. Jesus. Hell, Ajax could be right about this being a massive catalyst for a swing in voter sentiment at the local level, I just find it hard to process when it is just some of what he said, then what she said, and then twisted into a religious and ideological fever of useless testimonies of things people imagine, but do not actually know.
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I doubt it was any primary consideration in the loss. Economy ranked higher in concern than education and a lot of the education angst is likely hangover from Covid pain. Coupled with a very unpopular President, in a setting that is generally less favorable for the incumbent party, and a Republican that did frankly a damn fine job of balancing the Trump vs Not Trump parts of his base. It takes a lot of factors to swing a state that hard.
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