You realize back in those days they were talking about a virginal birth. Speculation decreasing her age would have been meant to emphasize the virginal. Even the birth was imagined as supernatural.
I agree that Christians have viewed it that way, the point is that Mormons believe it was all real physical human sex processes, because of the King Follet discourse, and 100+ years of church leaders emphasizing that as quoted in the thread.
Drumdude, I am aware of the peculiarities of the LDS view. I was addressing the apocryphal reference to age 12. People in the development of the catholic tradition, believed Mary was a virgin not just a young girl
I think it is pretty clear that Jesus had a mother. How old she was when Jesus was born is not a piece of known information. I have read speculation that she was in her teens, but that is only a matter of maybe.
I think it is pretty clear that Jesus had a mother. How old she was when Jesus was born is not a piece of known information. I have read speculation that she was in her teens, but that is only a matter of maybe.
Yup. That's about it.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
This is literally a discussion about an event that never happened.
It’s like arguing about whether Santa’s workshop is at true north or magnetic north.
Because Canada Post takes care of such details for you, you need only specify the correct postal code - H0H 0H0 - for your Santa letters to arrive at the correct location.
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It’s like arguing about whether Santa’s workshop is at true north or magnetic north.
Because Canada Post takes care of such details for you, you need only specify the correct postal code - H0H 0H0 - for your Santa letters to arrive at the correct location.
Records of baptisms for the dead end up in a similar very important file cabinet.
So far as I am aware, there is no reliable historical evidence of the age at which Mary first became pregnant.
She was likely 12 or 13.
"And when she was twelve years old there was held a council of priests, saying, ‘Behold, Mary has reached the age of twelve years in the temple of the Lord...And she wept bitterly saying, ‘As the Lord my God lives, I am pure before him, and know not man" https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-ever-virgin
I know of no major Christian group amongst whom it is generally believed that the age in question was 14.
But it would be acceptable for many religions. Catholic law (updated in 1983) states, "If the man is under 16 years of age, or the woman is under 14 years of age, then their marriage is invalid." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedimen ... canon_law)
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In fairness, the virgin birth and immaculate conception are among the dumbest doctrines taught in Christianity.
Yes, but at least we know something of the whys and how that caused Greek-speaking Christians to follow the Septuagint and surrounding mythologies, while removing some of their more disturbing aspects, to arrive at this silly idea. In the Mormon case, I think it’s just Brigham Young being the dull and plodding literalist who misread Joseph Smith in a particular way.
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So far as I am aware, there is no reliable historical evidence of the age at which Mary first became pregnant.
She was likely 12 or 13.
"And when she was twelve years old there was held a council of priests, saying, ‘Behold, Mary has reached the age of twelve years in the temple of the Lord...And she wept bitterly saying, ‘As the Lord my God lives, I am pure before him, and know not man" https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-ever-virgin
I know of no major Christian group amongst whom it is generally believed that the age in question was 14.
But it would be acceptable for many religions. Catholic law (updated in 1983) states, "If the man is under 16 years of age, or the woman is under 14 years of age, then their marriage is invalid." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedimen ... canon_law)
The source you quote via catholic.com is the Patrology of James, an apocryphal text written in the second century, probably over a hundred years later than the events it purports to describe, and of virtually no historical value. So, like I said.
The second reference is an irrelevance.
To repeat: There is no reliable historical evidence of the age at which Mary first became pregnant. And in no major Christian group is there a widespread belief that she became pregnant at any particular age. That, no more and no less, is what I assert, in response to the earlier claim that:
... most "sane" christians believe God impregnated 14 year old Mary.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
I’d just like to note even faithful Christians agree 12-14 is a very probable age range. I’m not using some extreme atheist number pulled out of my butt.
I’d just like to note even faithful Christians agree 12-14 is a very probable age range. I’m not using some extreme atheist number pulled out of my butt.
I'm sure you can locate some faithful Christians who would agree with you about Mary's age. But the post I have been addressing said:
"most "sane" christians believe God impregnated 14 year old Mary."
A claim which is untrue.
(I am by the way not any kind of Christian, let alone a faithful one.)
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
