Peterson the historical skeptic

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Clearly someone hasn’t read No Man Knows My History.

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

I’ve read about and watched a number of documentaries having to do with this particular example and others that seem to have ‘other worldly’ components.

Really? How do you explain Mother Ann?

Or Helen Schucman? The examples abound. I suppose the question is whether or not we homogenize all these folks.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Do you deny he spent years before writing the Book of Mormon telling his family the exact same type of stories?

No. And I also don’t deny that these ‘stories’ may have come to him as a result of his periodic interviews/conversations with Moroni or other heavenly visitors. We do have record of Moroni visiting Joseph.

What do you think they may have talked about?

The weather?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Clearly someone hasn’t read No Man Knows My History.

- Doc

One of the first New Mormon History books I read WAY back when. Back when we called it NMH. Not sure if that’s the ‘go to’ terminology anymore.

Your last post before this one isn’t worth responding to. You are morphing into your 5th grade self.

You are not really adding anything useful to the discussion.

Wanna clean it up?

Regards,
MG

[drumdude]

Do you deny he spent years before writing the Book of Mormon telling his family the exact same type of stories?

No. And I also don’t deny that these ‘stories’ may have come to him as a result of his periodic interviews/conversations with Moroni or other heavenly visitors. We do have record of Moroni visiting Joseph.

What do you think they may have talked about?

The weather?

Regards,
MG

It's my understanding these stories well pre-dated the Moroni visit. Not to mention that Joseph back-dated the Moroni timeline.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Clearly someone hasn’t read No Man Knows My History.

- Doc

One of the first New Mormon History books I read WAY back when. Back when we called it NMH. Not sure if that’s the ‘go to’ terminology anymore.

I see lying is still firmly in your wheelhouse.

- Doc

[Dr Exiled]

Do you deny he spent years before writing the Book of Mormon telling his family the exact same type of stories?

No. And I also don’t deny that these ‘stories’ may have come to him as a result of his periodic interviews/conversations with Moroni or other heavenly visitors. We do have record of Moroni visiting Joseph.

What do you think they may have talked about?

The weather?

Regards,
MG

I think Joseph Smith made up the Moroni/Nephi angel story, just like he made up having plates, just like he made up the other heavenly appearances he claimed to have had. So, they never talked.

Bottom line, show me some evidence that the Nephites were in the Americas and then we can talk about how hard it was for Joseph Smith to dictate and publish the Book of Mormon. Until that is shown, all of the other supposed proofs you raise are without a proper foundation. We know of the Romans, the ancient Greeks, etc., from the same time period. However, no evidence that the israelites were in the new world starting in 600 BC.

[doubtingthomas]

Or Helen Schucman? The examples abound. I suppose the question is whether or not we homogenize all these folks.

Regards,
MG

How do you explain the Lady of Fátima?

"Our Lady of Fátima (Portuguese: Nossa Senhora de Fátima, formally known as Our Lady of the Holy Rosary of Fátima, (Portuguese pronunciation: [ˈnɔsɐ sɨˈɲɔɾɐ dɨ ˈfatimɐ]), is a Catholic title of Mary, mother of Jesus based on the Marian apparitions reported in 1917 by three shepherd children at the Cova da Iria, in Fátima, Portugal. The three children were Lúcia dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto. The bishop of Leiria, José Alves Correia da Silva declared the events worthy of belief on 13 October 1930"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima

[doubtingthomas]

Why did he choose the hard path?

Still waiting for you to answer my questions.

Why did the Gnostics create hundreds of false stories about Jesus during intense persecution? Do you have any idea how time consuming it was to write a gospel in the second century?

"In a groundbreaking study on the apocrypha from a Latter-day Saint point of view, Stephen E. Robinson looked at the issue of “lying for God” as a means of understanding the purpose and function of some of the intertestamental apocrypha. In that study, Robinson proposed that deception played a significant part in the production of many apocryphal texts"
https://rsc.BYU.edu/how-new-testament-c ... se-gospels

[Marcus]

No. And I also don’t deny that these ‘stories’ may have come to him as a result of his periodic interviews/conversations with Moroni or other heavenly visitors. We do have record of Moroni visiting Joseph.

What do you think they may have talked about?

The weather?

Regards,
MG

This may be the best we’re going to get from you.

Nothing against you personally. If I were in the shoes of a person trying to defend Smith's process I don’t know that I would have an adequate response either.

Thanks for your input.

( just messing with you, mentalgymnast! Your attempts at putting down others are just too entertaining, I couldn't resist quoting you!!!! )

Do you deny he spent years before writing the Book of Mormon telling his family the exact same type of stories?

William Davis' book is an excellent resource for understanding the way Smith used his talent for oral story telling. I think Smith went with his skills; he was charismatic and a mesmerizing storyteller. Using that to get out of old-fashioned hard work seems like a decision someone like him would make pretty easily, especially after reading about his efforts to get money out of people earlier in his life.