Joseph Smith > tries to sell the Book of Mormon
MG > jOsEpH lOvED eMmA!!
Joseph Smith > ****ed Fanny Alger, kids, and other men’s wives


Hmmm, I never thought about it that way before, but, if pressed, my guess would be his initial tale about the first vision could have been a significant starting point.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:13 pmAt what point in Joseph’s life did he go to the ‘dark side’? It must have been at a fairly young age for him to be lying to Emma BIG TIME as the time approached for the BIG CON of the Book of Mormon.
Can you point, let’s say, to a particular experience/time in his youth that ‘turned him’ so that by the time he was between 14-15 years old he had gone dark?
Surely it wasn’t reading James 1:5?
Regards,
MG
Ah. After that time is when he must have attended night school and obtained his masters degree, so that must be what changed things as regards the record of the JSP.
I’m left wondering what resources or examples Emma drew upon to determine how Joseph should be assessed.He wasn’t an idiot. You know that I don’t think that. But Emma verifies that he was in no wise a savant either.
He was an excellent storyteller.So you’re left back at square one. How did Joseph do what he did at such a young age and under the circumstances he was living in?
We usually always get there sooner or later. : DI think we may be moving into the ‘talking in circles’ phase of this discussion.
Especially given they will rank Joseph Smith higher on the infallibility meter than the average member.Canpakes wrote:Check in with Denver Snuffer, even. How do you reconcile the fact of his backers believing what he has to say?
Moving into?MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:58 pmWe’re talking about Joseph’s early years leading up to and including the Book of Mormon translation period. He wasn’t an idiot. You know that I don’t think that. But Emma verifies that he was in no wise a savant either.
So you’re left back at square one. How did Joseph do what he did at such a young age and under the circumstances he was living in?
https://interpreterfoundation.org/estim ... vidence-1/
I think we may be moving into the ‘talking in circles’ phase of this discussion.
Regards,
MG
Doesn't mean he was incompetent. Pious fraud?
1. Restoration instead of renewal. A new dispensation of priestly/God given authority to perform saving ordinances and administration of covenantal relationships that bind.master_dc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:53 pminteresting thread thus far.
MG, I think the issues that you need to address are as follows:
- 1. People make up stories and publish them all the time, of all ages, what is so unique about Joseph?
- 2. What impact does having scribes (like Cowdery) have on adding some form of "polish" to the manuscript?
When I read your comments I am reminded that we, as people, tend to conflate plausible with possible. What is the likelihood that someone in Josephs situation could co-create (he had scribes) the Book of Mormon? if that is greater than 0%, the outcome is expected in rare occasions. It just happened to be Joseph. Some "miraculous" events come down to this.
- 3. Some of the questions have been "why would Joseph put Emma through any of this, especially when she was so pregnant?" Do you find this type of behavior, even today, plausible?
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:21 amThere were just too many instances where it would have been easier for him to say, “You know what? This con isn’t worth it. Tar and feathers for one thing. Not cool. Let’s call it a day and move on.” But he didn’t. Right up until he left this world at Carthage.