Helping The Poor is not an explicit objective for the Europe Area Presidency

[IHAQ]

According to financial reports posted last October, the Europe Area Presidency has a plan with three aims:
1. Follow the Prophet
2. Invite a friend to Sacrament Meeting
3. Take an ancestor to the temple

Obedience, recruitment and revenue generation.

Official UK Membership declined during 2020 to 186,734 (in 2018 it was 187,415).

[BeNotDeceived]

That's all?

Here's my question... at some point the 'church' is going to be exposed globally as a fraud and members will begin an exodus in droves... when that happens, what does the 'church' do... convert to a charity or to a real estate corporation? The first option is laughable to me, but certainly a slight possibility.

[canpakes]

That's all?

Here's my question... at some point the 'church' is going to be exposed globally as a fraud and members will begin an exodus in droves... when that happens, what does the 'church' do... convert to a charity or to a real estate corporation? The first option is laughable to me, but certainly a slight possibility.

Option #2 holds a lot of promise, where it ever to come down to the Church needing to consider either.

[Bought Yahoo]

According to financial reports posted last October, the Europe Area Presidency has a plan with three aims:
1. Follow the Prophet
2. Invite a friend to Sacrament Meeting
3. Take an ancestor to the temple

Obedience, recruitment and revenue generation.

Official UK Membership declined during 2020 to 186,734 (in 2018 it was 187,415).

My guess is that you like and believe in mission statements.

[drumdude]

at some point the 'church' is going to be exposed globally as a fraud and members will begin an exodus in droves

That point is now. This is why the language used at that youth fireside was so desperate. He even asked the kids to raise their hand if they knew someone who left, everyone obviously did.

All is not well in Zion.

[BeNotDeceived]

at some point the 'church' is going to be exposed globally as a fraud and members will begin an exodus in droves

That point is now. This is why the language used at that youth fireside was so desperate. He even asked the kids to raise their hand if they knew someone who left, everyone obviously did.

All is not well in Zion.

Good point. What upsets me the most about it all is that the leaders atop TSCC know the religion is not what it claims to be, that Smith was a con-man and fraudster, etc., but they are all benefiting tremendously financially and so instead of coming out and telling the truth, they justify their deceit with all the perks they're all getting... disgusting. Dallin H. Oaks was once caught on a hot mic telling someone that he didn't believe in the tenets of the church but stayed the course because this was mankind's best attempt to do God's will.

[drumdude]

That point is now. This is why the language used at that youth fireside was so desperate. He even asked the kids to raise their hand if they knew someone who left, everyone obviously did.

All is not well in Zion.

Good point. What upsets me the most about it all is that the leaders atop TSCC know the religion is not what it claims to be, that Smith was a con-man and fraudster, etc., but they are all benefiting tremendously financially and so instead of coming out and telling the truth, they justify their deceit with all the perks they're all getting... disgusting. Dallin H. Oaks was once caught on a hot mic telling someone that he didn't believe in the tenets of the church but stayed the course because this was mankind's best attempt to do God's will.

Self deception is a powerful thing. I do believe the leaders think they're doing God's will. That their families are getting rich off it is just a well deserved side benefit of saving souls...

[Philo Sofee]

That point is now. This is why the language used at that youth fireside was so desperate. He even asked the kids to raise their hand if they knew someone who left, everyone obviously did.

All is not well in Zion.

Good point. What upsets me the most about it all is that the leaders atop TSCC know the religion is not what it claims to be, that Smith was a con-man and fraudster, etc., but they are all benefiting tremendously financially and so instead of coming out and telling the truth, they justify their deceit with all the perks they're all getting... disgusting. Dallin H. Oaks was once caught on a hot mic telling someone that he didn't believe in the tenets of the church but stayed the course because this was mankind's best attempt to do God's will.

Listenin ta Dallin instead of God...oh the sheer arrogance... "God can't do much for ya, but man I can greatly spiritually benefit you in the faith of the covenant path with my conference talks, come n have a listen!" Of course, this is heresay without evidence, but it appears to me to fit rather comfortably with his assumption of his own gloriousness and importance to the world.

[Failed Prophecy]

Is there much to do for the poor in Europe that the government does not already do?

Not making a political statement, genuinely curious.

[Dwight]

Anecdotally I have heard that in Sweden there isn't much budget for welfare, and generally the money is sucked up to be used elsewhere. The problem is that there are members that follow the wife staying-at-home program, and paying tithing can leave them in a tight spot or going in debt to feed their family that the government certainly won't recognize. I've heard of a bishop tell such a couple there is nothing he can do for them. The couple stopped paying tithing, got out of debt, his work situation improved and instead of going back in they went completely out of the church. I do think we held onto being able to hire a member to clean the church for much longer than it was possible in the US, I know there was an immigrant with that job at least in 2011.

I recall hearing there was a case in the Netherlands where the bishop became unemployed, and so he started taking care of himself from the welfare pot. I think it went on for years, and eventually the church caught it and excommunicated him. They weren't able to do anything to reclaim anything cause it was their own lack of checks that let it go on, and the guy wasn't defrauding them even if it wasn't kosher with Salt Lake.