School Shooting in Uvalde Texas

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Morley wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 7:09 pm

Do you have any shame?
No he doesn't. Republicans show their true despicable colors whenever there are children dying because of their indifference. The infatuation with Chicago has a racist purpose which is why white supremacists like ajax always mix it in with their racist rhetoric. FOX news is constantly referencing thug life in Chicago, and the fact that Obama lives there makes it more enticing. It is what American Nazi's love to talk about too. The fact is Chicago doesn't even rank in the top 10 in terms of most dangerous cities. Here are the most dangerous cities in America. 8 of them are in Republican States: https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegle ... d16a6a7710

St. Louis, Missouri
Jackson, Mississippi
Detroit, Michigan
New Orleans, Louisiana
Baltimore, Maryland
Memphis, Tennessee
Cleveland, Ohio
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Kansas City, Missouri
Shreveport, Louisiana

Among the top 15 safest large cities in the country, a full third are located in California.
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Looks like "what about Chicago" has been a right-wing excuse for many years.

60% of illegal guns involved in crimes in Chicago come from other states (Indianapolis). Like vaccination, gun control is most effective if everyone is doing it.

The funny thing is Ajax doesn't own a gun or really care about guns except he's a Christian because he believes in guns. Like I said, Ajax and every other right-winger would suddenly have all kinds of ideas about how to fix this if it was their kid rather than someone else's.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 1:03 am
Your side has an impossible standard set up for these officers. I'm surprised you manage to hire anyone to be a police officer at all. And I'm certainly not surprised at the level of law enforcement officers your policies have given us as a result. How many people on this board have children who have chosen to be police officers? You know the people you disparage as racist pigs who go out and shoot people for no other reason than they're black.

‘My side’ is apparently the side who’s family may include a law enforcement officer, yet not in the same set of families with officers who’ve needed to accidentally fill someone full of holes because they thought that the person pulled over sorta kinda looked like they might be reaching for something, or not.

And - fortunately - I’m not a member of the side who has had a family member needlessly filled with holes for sorta kinda looking like they might be reaching for something, or not.

What’s your ‘side’?
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The "what about the useless gun laws in Chicago" is just another despicably dishonest Right Wing talking point that they keep resurrecting so they can justify the slaughter of our children. The fact is most of the guns used on Chicago's crimes come from OUT OF STATE. Meaning, if all the states had the same gun laws as Chicago, then where would the guns need to come from? From another country. Obviously driving to Ohio to buy a gun and then driving back to shoot someone in Chicago is hardly a monumental task.

What makes American's gun control laws so stupid is precisely the fact that they vary from state to state and anyone can get around them. Like the background check thing, completely irrelevant when it comes to gun sales from gun shows, online, or any place that isn't federally licensed. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/nationa ... 017/27140/
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I doubt ajax really cares about the math. It doesn't support his claims, so he feels duty bound to ignore it and any other evidence that legitimately disputes his arguments. The facts that Chicago does not rank even in the top ten of the most dangerous cities, and that 8 of the top ten most dangerous cities in the top ten are in red states will probably never deter him from doubling and tripling down on dishonestly citing Chicago in repeating the lie that the too easy availability of guns is not a major part of the problem. The truth must be fought tooth and nail whenever it conflicts with what he would rather have us believe.

The fact that California with only 1/8 of the U.S. population has fully 1/3 of the top 15 safest cities is also a matter of simple math that ajax either doesn't comprehend or just finds inconvenient to his narrative, and doesn't, and will probably never faze him a bit.

After all, according to Governor DeSantis, even currently used elementary school math textbooks are suffused with the dreaded "Critical Race Theory." Right? :roll: :roll:

It is heartbreaking how many Republicans somehow fail to see how inherently ridiculous and/or self-serving is much of what their most prominent political candidates and leaders espouse.
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The side that does not want these terrible shootings to continue and values life more than gun sales?
And that's the problem. Democrats won't even specify exactly what gun control they want, much less how it would have stopped any of these shootings. But if you disagree with their plan in any way, that means you're on the side of these pos, mentally ill, and flat out evil shooters. You don't really care about these shootings ending. It's just a convenient story to cudgel the other side and help us forget about the failed economic and foreign policy of the Biden administration.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 3:17 am
Looks like "what about Chicago" has been a right-wing excuse for many years.

60% of illegal guns involved in crimes in Chicago come from other states (Indianapolis). Like vaccination, gun control is most effective if everyone is doing it.

The funny thing is Ajax doesn't own a gun or really care about guns except he's a Christian because he believes in guns. Like I said, Ajax and every other right-winger would suddenly have all kinds of ideas about how to fix this if it was their kid rather than someone else's.
Ben Shapiro and Sean Hannity both had lengthy suggestions for fixing this. Ben has kids in in school as well. There was no armed security guard at the school. The doors were unlocked. We needed single ports of entry with multiple exits. We need police who are willing to fight and we get that by treating them better. We need to catch and act on the many red flags that were up with these shooters. One thing we don't need is the government going around and collecting the guns law biding citizens need to defend themselves from outlaws who will always have guns. Gun free school zones have become a convenient soft target for evil pos mass shooters who want to kill kids.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 11:45 am
We need to catch and act on the many red flags that were up with these shooters.
Over and over again, you make claims, then avoid addressing the responses. I'll try again.


What were the "many red flags that were up" with the Uvalde shooter?

What should we have done to address each one?
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ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 11:37 am
The side that does not want these terrible shootings to continue and values life more than gun sales?
And that's the problem. Democrats won't even specify exactly what gun control they want, much less how it would have stopped any of these shootings. But if you disagree with their plan in any way, that means you're on the side of these pos, mentally ill, and flat out evil shooters. You don't really care about these shootings ending. It's just a convenient story to cudgel the other side and help us forget about the failed economic and foreign policy of the Biden administration.
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Morley wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 12:52 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 11:45 am
We need to catch and act on the many red flags that were up with these shooters.
Over and over again, you make claims, then avoid addressing the responses. I'll try again.


What were the "many red flags that were up" with the Uvalde shooter?

What should we have done to address each one?

Some of these are red flags from the shooter in Buffalo

All of this sort of stuff happens all the time. And this is also true with regard to, for example, the Buffalo shooting, the Buffalo shooting, there were plenty of red flags nobody ever filed for an executive restraining order, no one ever filed for a, in an ERP restraining protective order that would have prevented this person from being able to purchase guns despite a long and lengthy history of mental issues, violence, mental issues. So when the laws were on the books, but then they don't actually properly get enforced. This becomes a question of human behavior, and this is particularly true when it comes to police procedure, we've seen over and over again, whether it is Parkland or whether as it now turns out it is you've already that the police in these cases, whether it is failures of training or failures of courage have not done their job to protect innocent people.
We saw this when it came to Parkland most prominently, when it turned out that Scott Israel, the sheriff in Parkland was completely incapable of either trending his officers or getting his officers to go in and do what they had to do in order to stop the Parkland shooter. And then he sat by grinning as various members of the media and some of the school children themselves attacked politicians for broad scale gun laws. Dana lash was attacked on CNN as sort of the progenitor of the Parkland attack. Meanwhile, Scott Israel, who's really responsible for the failures of security that led to the Parkland shooting and to the terrible response to the Parkland PD. He was sitting there, basically grinning it away on national TV. And we see this over and over and over again.
There's a great irony to the fact that the left's attitude toward the police generally is incredibly skeptical. The idea is that the police are the oppressive arm of the state. The police are systemically racist. The police are bad guys, but then when it comes to situations like this, we're not allowed to discuss whether the police actually did their jobs. And this is a bizarre circumstance. So yesterday for example, the white house was specifically asked about the behavior of the police involved. And as we will discuss in just one moment and now appears that there was basically no protection at the school that the police did not do their jobs. The police set up a perimeter, the police did not intervene to stop the murder of these children for at least 40 minutes. And the white house when asked about it, they said, we're not calling for an investigation. So every time a black person is shot under conflicting circumstances, the white house calls for an investigation and six to the DOJ and the police department.
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