Nelson: “Don’t pollute [your testimony] with the false philosophies of unbelieving men and women…”

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Re: Nelson: “Don’t pollute [your testimony] with the false philosophies of unbelieving men and women…”

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Dr Moore wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:51 pm
Marcus wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:55 pm
Being one of the few females here who is a fellow professor...
I did not realize you were female until reading this just now. It doesn't change anything for me. Just noting. Glad as ever for your points of view.
thank you.
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I'm surprised as well but also very glad to know it's not just all men around here! It feels way to male-heavy in here a lot.
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I have to say that I'm surprised that several prominent members of the board seem to be surprised to learn that Marcus is female.

I thought that everyone knew. Oh, well ...

Not that it does - or should - make any difference at all.
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Re: Nelson: “Don’t pollute [your testimony] with the false philosophies of unbelieving men and women…”

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Kishkumen wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:20 am
huckelberry wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:13 am
Just think Kishkumen has some different attitudes and point of view about the church! how could that be allowed?
I am happy not to have driven everyone away and that some people will not put me on ignore. I hope that is true of everyone who posts here.
I’m sorry.

Did you say something?
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Re: Nelson: “Don’t pollute [your testimony] with the false philosophies of unbelieving men and women…”

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Marcus wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:55 pm

As for Stak's suggestions, asking a female professor to "slide into" the private DMs of a fellow male professor, to "respectfully explain the issues you are having," in order to get him to "change how he interacts with you" because he personally and viciously attacks you, in public, every time you disagree with him is laughable, at best. i will assume he was speaking in generalities.
Why does it matter you are female?

Please explain.
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drumdude wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:45 pm
I'm surprised as well but also very glad to know it's not just all men around here! It feels way to male-heavy in here a lot.
:D it does sometimes, doesn’t it? but yes, we are here.
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malkie wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:07 pm
I have to say that I'm surprised that several prominent members of the board seem to be surprised to learn that Marcus is female.

I thought that everyone knew.
i thought so to!
Not that it does - or should - make any difference at all.
agreed. My only point in bringing up gender was to point out that telling a female professor to privately approach a male professor who was publicly disparaging her was an inappropriate solution.

If Stak doesn't know i am 1) a female, and 2) a professional colleague of Kishkumen, then i understand. It was not his intent.

My point was that telling women to privately solve public issues with men is an old school approach that is not valid in a world where colleagues are colleagues, regardless of gender.
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Re: Nelson: “Don’t pollute [your testimony] with the false philosophies of unbelieving men and women…”

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consiglieri wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:58 pm
Why does it matter you are female?

Please explain.
It better contextualizes the social dynamics in play.
Marcus wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:23 pm
If Stak doesn't know i am 1) a female, and 2) a professional colleague of Kishkumen, then i understand. Telling women to privately solve public issues is an old school approach that is not valid in a world where colleagues are colleagues, regardless of gender.
Actually I didn't even have you in mind when I wrote that post, I was just navel-gazing. I don't think you were acting unfairly or inappropriately. I also had zero idea you were a female or that you worked in Higher Education, for what it is worth.

That said, are you saying you actually work with him in some capacity outside this space? I mean, this is just a message board where we all post under pseudonyms, the silly academic pretensions are just a goof. This isn't some departmental meeting, its shitposting. Outside of trying to resolve it with him and using the ignore function, there really isn't anything else to be done.
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Re: Nelson: “Don’t pollute [your testimony] with the false philosophies of unbelieving men and women…”

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DrStakhanovite wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:07 am
Marcus wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:23 pm
If Stak doesn't know i am 1) a female, and 2) a professional colleague of Kishkumen, then i understand. Telling women to privately solve public issues is an old school approach that is not valid in a world where colleagues are colleagues, regardless of gender.
Actually I didn't even have you in mind when I wrote that post, I was just navel-gazing. I don't think you were acting unfairly or inappropriately. I also had zero idea you were a female or that you worked in Higher Education, for what it is worth.
No problem, i added an edit after you copied this to try to explain that, the addition is bolded below:
If Stak doesn't know i am 1) a female, and 2) a professional colleague of Kishkumen, then i understand. It was not his intent.
That said, are you saying you actually work with him in some capacity outside this space?
no, just that we've interacted enough over the years that we both know the other is a university professor and a professional colleague.
This isn't some departmental meeting, its shitposting...
:D Amen, brother, amen!
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Re: Nelson: “Don’t pollute [your testimony] with the false philosophies of unbelieving men and women…”

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Marcus wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:55 pm
philo, you make good points. it does frustrate me however, as a fellow professor of Dr. Kishkumen, that i have only experienced the vicious personal attacks when i disagree with him. he insists on utter respect for his contrarianism, without giving the slightest respect back. if i am very careful to kiss his ass and only disagree in the very mildest of ways while effusively acknowledging his superiority (a strategy i learned from reading here), then i (sometimes) get the "nice" kishkumen. The problem is, i'm not willing to engage in that dishonesty in perpetuity, so his attacks continue.
Out of curiosity, when was the last time I engaged in vicious personal attacks against you? I mean, from my point of view we hardly interact, so it takes me aback to have you characterize our unpleasant interactions as “continuing.” Moreover, this thread was my response to Dr Moore. You entered the thread to attack me. At least you were able to clear the air and be forthright, I suppose.

For the record, I am glad you are being honest, at long last, and I am sorry you wasted your time lying about your feelings, for reasons that are inscrutable. By your own account it was a lot of wasted effort.
Being one of the few females here who is a fellow professor to the Dear Reverend, i can see the difficulty in him treating me as an equal, but it doesn't mean I have to tolerate it.
I have never had trouble treating you as an equal. I do it all the time. You seem to want something other than that, however, although it is never quite clear what that is. I disagree with my equals. I get sharp with my equals. I commend my equals. I do this with all people.

Being a professor is a job, not a christening to special status. I recognize that I am in the company of many intelligent people here who teach me all the time. I am grateful to them. Many of my best teachers here have been non-academics. They have also been women.

If there is a problem between us, it is not due to your being a woman and an academic. Within my actual professional life, I prefer working with women academics over men. I am married to a woman academic. I have, to date, never had anything but fruitful and enriching interactions with any of these inspiring intellectual leaders. Again, if we have a problem, I suspect that something else is amiss.

And that something would have nothing to do with any lack of respect for your intelligence and accomplishments on my part. I recall multiple occasions on which I have remarked that I was genuinely (not lying) impressed with comments and insights of yours. I won’t waste my time being dishonest with you to coddle you unnecessarily, and I would hope you could now interact with me on the same honest basis.

So what is the problem exactly?

Am I not allowed to have sharp exchanges with you as I have with other equals on this board? Why would that be?
And as a final point, it's not "pedagogical" to be an ass to people. I also enjoy my teaching opportunities, but wielding it like a sword is not appropriate, in my opinion. There are far superior ways to take advantage of a teaching moment.
So, I am not employed to be a teacher on this board. I get to have personal time in my life, outside of work, to let my hair down and have regular arguments with regular people like myself. If you want to treat everything like an extension of your professional life, that’s your business. Leave me out of it, please.
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