ajax18 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:28 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:37 pm
When speaking of embryonic development, the difference between 6 weeks, and 9 weeks is vast.
Either she said 6 weeks. Or she said 9 weeks. There's no "paraphrasing."
ETA: Well.. Shapiro is wrong about when the valves are there. They are functional a week sooner.
A babies heart is rhythmically moving fluid after only 22 days. So Stacey Abrams claim of there being no heartbeat at 6 weeks makes no sense. For this reason Ben assumed she was talking about valve developement that you correctly pointed out is at 9 weeks.
I think this helps illustrate how terms are useless unless people agree on what they mean. If nothing else, it tells us what we should all already know -- political ideologues, and politicians make for crap-poor arbiters of truth.
Why not use cardiomyocyte differentiation as the line in the sand? Why is a primordial heart moving fluid a better "heartbeat" than two cardiomyocytes synching their electrical impulses? When
human heart cells are 3D printed into a heart tube, and contractions are synched up, is that a "heartbeat"?
Ultimately, the sound that's interpreted as a heartbeat, via ultrasound at 6 weeks, is a manufactured sound. Multiple medical organizations don't consider it a "heartbeat." Some organizations do. Two people I don't think should be forming public opinion on it though are Stacey Abrams, and Ben Shapiro.
When all is said and done, I think it makes for a crap metric for personhood.
A better point made by Ben is that while pro choice advocates are quick to point out that while legal, abortions at 8 months are rare, they never point out that instances of rape resulting in a pregnancy in which a woman is denied an abortion is even more rare.
Is this really a point Ben made? Lol.
Thank you, Ben, for pointing out that while abortion has been legal, it's been rare for a woman to be denied an abortion. Good lawd, I knew he was a numbskull, but that's absolute logic gold.
Can you how long before birth the Democratic party would outlaw abortion? I never get an answer so one must conclude that they mean right up until before the baby comes out the birth canal.
Based on the text of the Bill some Democrats put forth over a year ago, it would be where the Supreme Court placed it for almost half a century. Medical viability.
Women's Health Protection Act of 2021