Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

[Bel1954]

No idea if that’s what happened but based on the way I saw her performance, it wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve spoken to several friends who totally surmised that she was let go because of her constant tears and making every episode about her journey. Opinions differ of course and she has a small following. One commenter here stated they appreciated her showing emotion.

Can we imagine how long MS would last if John cried in empathy during every episode? And he showed her plenty of empathy!

My view:

She didn’t add value to the show.
John told her as much.
She didn’t like how that felt.
She complained that the negative feedback felt hostile.
He gave her more specifics.
She complained more.
They fired her.
Sour grapes.
She is choosing to embarrass John and Open Stories Foundation with litigation.
She will get nothing.
The show will go on.



It’s show business. John is the show. What do people expect? John to flush the show to accommodate the feelings of lesser talent?

Sorry that’s harsh.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Do you have any examples in mind so we can understand your perspective a little more fully?

That said, last time this sort of thing was made public, some of us spectators realized that sexual harassment did in fact happen (at least when parsing out the facts).

I remember the last time and admittedly it was pretty disturbing learning that some of Rosebud's claims seemed to be true, after all her years of stringing people along with unspecified allegations.

I apologize I'm not sure what you're asking for. If you mean there are times when men were taken down by unspecified allegations I might be miscommunicating there. I meant that sarcastically. But I imagine there are probably cases out there wherein unspecified allegations were enough to take down a dude.

Or if you're asking for times when women who worked with Dehlin complained? I'm mostly just thinking of Rosebud, but I do recall some years back Ms Kelly from Ordain Women and a few others offered similar sounding vague complaints of mistreatment and intimidation. THat's really all I had in mind with my question about more unspecified allegations.

I think you answered the question fine - you had Rosebud and Kate Kelly in mind ref women who use vague allegations to take a high profile man down. Thanks for responding, DS.

- Doc

[Marcus]

This is interesting

People are really quick to judge Jenn but, as she states in the video, she tried meditation outside of court for 2 months before filing in court.

Amy Grubbs, who previous worked at Mormon stories left this comment.

"After watching this video and reading some of the comments I am certain that many of you don't understand the situation here. First, it is absolutely necessary to use a public platform to raise your voice against harmful and unlawful actions. Honestly, there is no other way to bring attention to what goes on behind closed doors.

Next, it is time to speak truth about a dark side that only those who have worked within this org are aware. Since Open Stories Foundation and Mormon Stories began, there has been a consistent line of abuse. Unfortunately, there are many former emmployees who have been silenced due to an NDA including myself, who worked for Mormon Stories/0SF for two years. I have experienced everything Jenn has mentioned in this brief video. What she has said is only the tip of a very large iceberg can assure you.

Throughout this organization's existence, every board member has been handpicked by John Dehlin resulting in a complete lack of accountability.

The CONSTANT turnover of donors, listeners and board members has made the abuse pattern all too easy to overlook because there is constantly a new crop of folks leaving the church. This creates a community that is very willing to dismiss and fight against anything negative that comes out towards the organization that has helped them. I totally get this, I used to be one of those folks for many years.

What has been allowed to happen within this non-profit is wrong, it has been expertly hidden, and has been going on for far too long. Many commentors are criticizing Jenn for being vague in her accusations but she obviously is unable to share all the details/evidence at this time due to active and ongoing litigation. To those who don't understand why Jenn decided to speak out now instead of later when all the evidence can be revealed just think how long this could be dragged out. Soon, nobody will remember Jenn or her work with Mormon Stories. The turnover of the audience, staff, board, and donors happens too frequently. My only assumption is that she wants to initiate an online record that the post Mormon community can follow as her lawsuit advances. This will help us all by shining a light on some difficult realities and maybe have folks start to question instead of following blindly. It is not an easy task to stand up against the most influential organization for those going through a faith transition. Personally, I am grateful for her bravery."

https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... n/itl56fm/

But, its incredibly difficult to figure out whats going on. The reports are so disparate.

[dastardly stem]

This is interesting

But, its incredibly difficult to figure out whats going on. The reports are so disparate.

Agreed. It is really difficult. If there is a "consistent line of abuse", its hard to have a handle on what's going on, but those are serious accusations. If This information from Amy Grubbs is true then I'd say Jenn is behaving well here. She declined to sign an NDA and lost money on it. That's a good move if anything is to come to light. But it's also its possible true much is being made about very little if anything, and that makes it tough to come to any certain conclusion as to who is right and wrong. Where's Jesus when we need him?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Amy Grubbs

Who is Amy Grubbs and what’s been said? I googled her name, but nothing jumps out at me.

- Doc

[dastardly stem]

Amy Grubbs

Who is Amy Grubbs and what’s been said? I googled her name, but nothing jumps out at me.

- Doc

I don't really know. I've seen her name around a bit, but I was just going with what Marcus quoted from her. Apparently she used to work for John's organization and has confirmed there has been unspecified mistreatment by John. That's about as much as I know.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Who is Amy Grubbs and what’s been said? I googled her name, but nothing jumps out at me.

- Doc

I don't really know. I've seen her name around a bit, but I was just going with what Marcus quoted from her. Apparently she used to work for John's organization and has confirmed there has been unspecified mistreatment by John. That's about as much as I know.

Ah, I was hoping she had an online footprint with regard to Open Stories Foundation issues so we could understand her position better. It seems like vagueries abound, once again.

- Doc

[consiglieri]

This is interesting

But, its incredibly difficult to figure out whats going on. The reports are so disparate.

Agreed. It is really difficult. If there is a "consistent line of abuse", its hard to have a handle on what's going on, but those are serious accusations. If This information from Amy Grubbs is true then I'd say Jenn is behaving well here. She declined to sign an NDA and lost money on it. That's a good move if anything is to come to light. But it's also its possible true much is being made about very little if anything, and that makes it tough to come to any certain conclusion as to who is right and wrong. Where's Jesus when we need him?

Can you tell me where Jenn Kamp claims to have refused signing an NDA?

I had not heard of this before.

[dastardly stem]

Agreed. It is really difficult. If there is a "consistent line of abuse", its hard to have a handle on what's going on, but those are serious accusations. If This information from Amy Grubbs is true then I'd say Jenn is behaving well here. She declined to sign an NDA and lost money on it. That's a good move if anything is to come to light. But it's also its possible true much is being made about very little if anything, and that makes it tough to come to any certain conclusion as to who is right and wrong. Where's Jesus when we need him?

Can you tell me where Jenn Kamp claims to have refused signing an NDA?

I had not heard of this before.

in her video? I don't know. I thought I remembered hearing that or something about declining the offered severance. Not going to make me go back and relisten are you? It was kinda frustrating the first time.

[Kishkumen]

"After watching this video and reading some of the comments I am certain that many of you don't understand the situation here. First, it is absolutely necessary to use a public platform to raise your voice against harmful and unlawful actions. Honestly, there is no other way to bring attention to what goes on behind closed doors.

The legal system doesn't count for some reason? I should think that the first thing a person would do in this kind of situation is hire an attorney and then follow that attorney's advice on how to deal with the situation. Somehow, "post amateur six-minute video" does not strike me as the kind of thing an attorney would instruct her client to do.

I have experienced everything Jenn has mentioned in this brief video. What she has said is only the tip of a very large iceberg can assure you.

I wonder whether she is going to ask John for lots of money too.

Throughout this organization's existence, every board member has been handpicked by John Dehlin resulting in a complete lack of accountability.

Obvious hyperbole. The organization still has to file reports, etc. There is always some accountability. I think it is also interesting how the women who defended John in connection with the Rosebud attacks are being thrown under the bus here. Every woman involved in the Open Stories Foundation over the years, including the full professor Joanna Brooks, is just a hand-picked "yes-woman" for John Dehlin's personal profit and aggrandizement?

That simply isn't credible.