Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

[Tavares Standfield]

This is just the latest example of a mediocre woman seeking to enrich herself on the talent and largess of John P. Dehlin.

And just like all the rest, these nonsensical allegations will soon be forgotten while the legacy of Dehlin and MS lives on.

[Bond]

Going forward he needs to start paying people to host per episode or per hour of work rather than signing any type of contract so that if things aren't working out he can just ghost them. Never saw this lady do anything on camera except empathize and then cry. I'm surprised her numerous tears didn't resolve the drought in the American West.

[Marcus]

Going forward he needs to start paying people to host per episode or per hour of work rather than signing any type of contract so that if things aren't working out he can just ghost them. Never saw this lady do anything on camera except empathize and then cry...

Which is what her Mormon upbringing trained her to do. What have you seen Dehlin do? I mean this seriously. What, outside of what his Mormon upbringing trained him to do, have you seen from him?

[dastardly stem]

Obvious hyperbole. The organization still has to file reports, etc. There is always some accountability. I think it is also interesting how the women who defended John in connection with the Rosebud attacks are being thrown under the bus here. Every woman involved in the Open Stories Foundation over the years, including the full professor Joanna Brooks, is just a hand-picked "yes-woman" for John Dehlin's personal profit and aggrandizement?

That simply isn't credible.

I'd agree there is obvious hyperbole there. On this next point i'd like to stress I imagine Joanna Brooks is a great person without all the flaws I hold...but I also imagine using her as a defense here may not resonate well with Grubbs. Afterall after the whole affair/debacle between Rosebud and Dehlin came to light, it also showed conversations in which Dehlin was trying to get Rosebud fired and was successful in his bid by working with Joanna Brooks to that end. That is from at least one side of things, Dehlin did sexually harass Rosebud when, as her authority, he carried on a relationship with her then fired her when he was finished, or because he was finished. To that side of things Joanna was a willing participant used to accomplish Dehlin's goal. And as a result of the aftermath of all of that, I believe, Joanna quit the board. None of that looks very good. I don't know how solidly we confirm it as evidence for Grubbs' claim here, but it seems to fit as a possibility.

[Kishkumen]

I'd agree there is obvious hyperbole there. On this next point i'd like to stress I imagine Joanna Brooks is a great person without all the flaws I hold...but I also imagine using her as a defense here may not resonate well with Grubbs. Afterall after the whole affair/debacle between Rosebud and Dehlin came to light, it also showed conversations in which Dehlin was trying to get Rosebud fired and was successful in his bid by working with Joanna Brooks to that end. That is from at least one side of things, Dehlin did sexually harass Rosebud when, as her authority, he carried on a relationship with her then fired her when he was finished, or because he was finished. To that side of things Joanna was a willing participant used to accomplish Dehlin's goal. And as a result of the aftermath of all of that, I believe, Joanna quit the board. None of that looks very good. I don't know how solidly we confirm it as evidence for Grubbs' claim here, but it seems to fit as a possibility.

You’ll have to excuse me for not caring a whole lot for Grubbs joining the handful of people who have sour grapes about their experience at Open Stories Foundation. Personally, I don’t see Joanna Brooks as having been tarnished by her experience at Open Stories Foundation as you seem to. Rosebud has shown herself to be a completely unreliable witness, who has been caught completely contradicting the available evidence. At the worst, Brooks discovered that her time was better spent on her career than on dealing with Dehlin’s miserable staffing choices and questionable managerial style.

Everything I have learned about Kamp leads me to many of the same conclusions I came to about the Rosebud situation. To have Amy Grubbs chime in with this poorly reasoned and hyperbolic rhetoric doesn’t add one scintilla of credibility to Kamp’s public, substance-free weeping sessions, whether on MoSto or here.

I want evidence, evidence that actually backs up what these people claim. I am done with “where there’s smoke there’s fire” and “believe all claims of people who claim to be victims, especially if more than one person claims to be a the same person’s victim.”

In all situations, I want evidence. I want to see people use their legal recourse and stop abusing the whole “little person against the evil organization” tack. Open Stories Foundation is a tiny operation that is almost entirely dependent on the Dehlin brand for the little money it brings in. Now let’s see. How much is this employee of how many months’ employ demanding from Open Stories Foundation? Where is the evidence of Dehlin’s wrongdoing? If we are not supposed to be asking questions because she can’t answer them on account of legal reasons, why is Kamp releasing this video?

I say because she is pressuring them to offer her more money.

[Kishkumen]

Going forward he needs to start paying people to host per episode or per hour of work rather than signing any type of contract so that if things aren't working out he can just ghost them. Never saw this lady do anything on camera except empathize and then cry. I'm surprised her numerous tears didn't resolve the drought in the American West.

Someone had to remind me of this person. I don’t listen to every MoSto episode, but this short-timer was a forgettable blip. I am having a difficult time understanding how devastating getting fired from Open Stories Foundation could be after such a short time invested in it. Unless this person has some kind of messiah complex.

John Dehlin fires you. Move on. Get a new job. If you are all that and a bag of chips, make your own successful ex-Mo podcast. Maybe empathy and tears gets a lot more donations than renowned and respected Egyptologist Robert Ritner explaining why the Book of Abraham has nothing to do with modern scholarly knowledge of Ancient Egypt or Massimo Introvigne of CESNUR and Professor David Frankfurter explaining Satanic Panic in Mormonism.

I mean, let’s get real here. There is a reason that Dehlin has done well and Kamp is a former employee of Open Stories Foundation. I doubt that reason is “John Dehlin is a monster.”

[dastardly stem]

You’ll have to excuse me for not caring a whole lot for Grubbs joining the handful of people who have sour grapes about their experience at Open Stories Foundation. Personally, I don’t see Joanna Brooks as having been tarnished by her experience at Open Stories Foundation as you seem to. Rosebud has shown herself to be a completely unreliable witness, who has been caught completely contradicting the available evidence. At the worst, Brooks discovered that her time was better spent on her career than on dealing with Dehlin’s miserable staffing choices and questionable managerial style.

Everything I have learned about Kamp leads me to many of the same conclusions I came to about the Rosebud situation. To have Amy Grubbs chime in with this poorly reasoned and hyperbolic rhetoric doesn’t add one scintilla of credibility to Kamp’s public, substance-free weeping sessions, whether on MoSto or here.

I want evidence, evidence that actually backs up what these people claim. I am done with “where there’s smoke there’s fire” and “believe all claims of people who claim to be victims, especially if more than one person claims to be a the same person’s victim.”

In all situations, I want evidence. I want to see people use their legal recourse and stop abusing the whole “little person against the evil organization” tack. Open Stories Foundation is a tiny operation that is almost entirely dependent on the Dehlin brand for the little money it brings in. Now let’s see. How much is this employee of how many months’ employ demanding from Open Stories Foundation? Where is the evidence of Dehlin’s wrongdoing? If we are not supposed to be asking questions because she can’t answer them on account of legal reasons, why is Kamp releasing this video?

I say because she is pressuring them to offer her more money.

Even if we disagree to some extent it seems to me there is plenty to agree with. I agree, we need evidence. Unevidenced accusations, empty and bold, don't help much of anything. But what can we muster as evidence if we don't have first hand complaints to start with? Grubbs suggested Kamp needed to publicly say a few things. She needs to let it out. Fine, if that's true.

Perhaps I'm too open to the possibility of mistreatment and mishandling here. I'd hate to think things went down for some people, women in particular, in a negative way and they not get their say. NDAs for something named Open Stories just sounds silly. although I get to many it'd be absolutely stupid and naïve to work a business without it. If there are multiple women who have stories of mistreatment that alone is evidence. As it is Kamp and Grubbs are first hand actors here. That's far more than I can say about my experience in the whole affair, or anyone elses. Including every other person or woman who has ever worked for Open Stories Foundation or with Dehlin. Their experience actually has no say on whether others were mistreated.

I certainly do not want to see a resurrected discussion on the Rosebud ordeal, but I think its quite reasonable to conclude sexual harassment in there. I don't think that leaves her as "completely contradicting the available evidence".

[Kishkumen]

Even if we disagree to some extent it seems to me there is plenty to agree with. I agree, we need evidence. Unevidenced accusations, empty and bold, don't help much of anything. But what can we muster as evidence if we don't have first hand complaints to start with? Grubbs suggested Kamp needed to publicly say a few things. She needs to let it out. Fine, if that's true.

Perhaps I'm too open to the possibility of mistreatment and mishandling here. I'd hate to think things went down for some people, women in particular, in a negative way and they not get their say. NDAs for something named Open Stories just sounds silly. although I get to many it'd be absolutely stupid and naïve to work a business without it. If there are multiple women who have stories of mistreatment that alone is evidence. As it is Kamp and Grubbs are first hand actors here. That's far more than I can say about my experience in the whole affair, or anyone elses. Including every other person or woman who has ever worked for Open Stories Foundation or with Dehlin. Their experience actually has no say on whether others were mistreated.

I certainly do not want to see a resurrected discussion on the Rosebud ordeal, but I think its quite reasonable to conclude sexual harassment in there. I don't think that leaves her as "completely contradicting the available evidence".

Technical sexual harassment? Oh, sure! Yeah, super dumb of Dehlin to have an affair with Rosebud. I just don’t buy her claim of being coerced into a sexual relationship. The texts flatly contradict her story on that and make her look like she was pushing him to continue and join her in ousting Joanna so they could take over.

She failed. She got angry. Then she pulled out the harassment card. And sure she could. Absolutely. Dehlin was wrong and dumb to have an affair with an inferior in the organization.

Power imbalance is not the same thing as rape. Nope. I don’t agree with that. I do agree that work should not mix with sex. Ever.

But Dehlin’s accusers want to push the idea that Dehlin is essentially a rapist. They keep pushing there, and the evidence does not back that view up at all. One of them even anonymously accused him of pedophilia. LOL!

Lordy.

I think that the root problem is the social illness tied up in Mormonism. These people, Dehlin included, are playing out the dysfunctions of Mormonism without the restraints of ecclesiastical structure and authority. What happens in bad situations in the Church is happening routinely in the post-Church. Everyone has this inflated sense of self-importance and mission to save others, even when they have no training and no scientifically informed method. Hell, they no longer even claim to have the Spirit.

The patriarchy is claimed to be the problem and with the gloves off it is made both *the* problem and the biggest target, regardless of everyone’s attempts, utterly failed, to escape it. They just keep running right back to it.

[consiglieri]

Jenn Kamp needs to make as much hay as she can before the evidence comes out.

There is a great deal of documentary evidence that will demonstrate she is being disingenuous and hasn’t a leg to stand on.

Go, Jenn! Go!

[consiglieri]

Winter is coming.