John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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Moksha wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:57 am
Smith making up the Book of Abraham from his own imagination fits very well with the evidence.

Coupled with the assertion of how ancient Jewish scripture explains that Egyptians are a race of people who have descended from Ham in 2300 BC as attested in the STUPID Book of Abraham published in Nauvoo in 1842.

The Mormons at BYU are enemies of Egyptology!

Sound the alarm!
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Re: John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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Shulem wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:05 am


John Gee is a coward and a piece of you-know-what! The man has no character. He's a liar and is playing a fool's game. He needs his sorry ass kicked!
Hogwash! The dude is an absolute and literal godsend for having proven to all of ancient Egyptian studies that the Book of Abraham was on the ancient papyri. The make believe Abraham did write that story on papyri some 2,000 years before it can be dated. Just look at Gee’s uncontested scholarship. There were after all words found in languages that in the very broad region of an assumed land where the make believe Abraham lived if one really squints and hopes hard enough resemble names in the facsimiles as translated by Joseph Smith. I must say that finding alone by Gee was the finest work of scholarship ever produced.

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Re: Long Roll

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Shulem wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:18 pm
John Gee 12:52 wrote:None of the fragments we have qualifies as being part of the long roll.

THAT IS A LIE. THE FRAGMENTS WE HAVE CAME FROM THE ROLLS POSSESSED BY JOSEPH SMITH!

Only in John Gee's warped imagination is there a long roll that has nothing to do with the existing fragments.
WIKIPEDIA, Criticism of the Book of Abraham wrote: A portion of the papyri used by Joseph Smith as the source of the Book of Abraham. The difference between Egyptologists' translation and Joseph Smith's interpretations has caused considerable controversy.

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Let us not forget that it was Joseph Smith's own published account given in the Times and Seasons when he had ALL of the papyrus roll of Abraham in his very possession. All of the roll, including every fragment he cut therefrom was in the possession of the Church and Smith makes it very clear in his translation that Facsimile No. 1 was an integral part of *that* roll. In fact, the very text of the Book of Abraham declares that Facsimile No. 1 is at the beginning of the record or the roll of Abraham. So, how on God's green earth can Gee state that "None of the fragments we have qualifies as being part of the long roll"?

Gee is lying!

Book of Abraham wrote:And it came to pass that the priests laid violence upon me, that they might slay me also, as they did those virgins upon this altar; and that you may have a knowledge of this altar, I will refer you to the representation at the commencement of this record.
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Re: John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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Gee is definitely lying through his chiclets. It’s always amazing tome how Mormons can exist in a dual frame of mind, proclaiming virtue on the one hand and covering for Mormon who **** kids lying about obvious frauds like the Book of Abraham on the other.

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Re: John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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Shulem wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:29 pm
John Gee 14:48 wrote:I can read the stuff and am a Book of the Dead specialist

Fig. 5. Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand.

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Show me the name "Shulem" in the writing of the label, John.

Show me!

John,

As a specialist of the Book of the Dead, you know damn well that the Anubis figure in Facsimile No. 3 is a mutated version of what was on the original papyrus. You know full well that the face of Anubis was mutilated on the lead plate and that a jackal head was transformed into a misshapen human head. You know the headcloth was scraped out and the canine ear and eye were left intact.

John Gee, I dare you to deny it! You weasel! You're a big man at BYU and a bully, but to me you're nothing but a little punk. You're not fooling me. You're a liar! I can't consider you a Christian until you come clean and start telling the truth. You mock the teachings of Jesus every time you lie about the Book of Abraham.

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Re: John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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Gee (& Muhlestein to a lesser extent) are not defending the church. They are defending the need for a Mormon Egyptologist.
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Re: John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:55 pm
Gee is definitely lying through his chiclets. It’s always amazing tome how Mormons can exist in a dual frame of mind, proclaiming virtue on the one hand and covering for Mormon who **** kids lying about obvious frauds like the Book of Abraham on the other.

- Doc

And he wonders why critics are constantly attacking his arguments and berating his demeanor when he is constantly telling lies and covering up the truth in Satanic fashion. He leads believers into thinking there is no harm in his arguments and that he's providing a logical conclusion based on the facts. The man is a devil in disguise. What he is doing in defending the Book of Abraham is nothing short of evil. It's wrong. It's unChristian behavior.

And that is why I don't consider John Gee to be a Christian because everyone knows Christians are suppose to tell the truth as they understand it. But Gee expresses things opposite of what he knows is not true in order to defend Smith's original lie and protect his BYU pension.

That is how I see it.
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Re: John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:33 pm
Gee (& Muhlestein to a lesser extent) are not defending the church. They are defending the need for a Mormon Egyptologist.

And as an Egyptologist, what has he ever done to correctly define and describe the characteristics of Anubis in Facsimile No. 3? What has Gee ever said about changes made to Anubis on the lead plate for that Facsimile?
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Re: John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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hauslern wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:45 pm
The interpreter has a radio show with John Gee talking about the length of the original Book of Abraham. Argues from historical sources that we do not have all the papyri Smith had in his possession. Gee talked about a recent discovery of a Book of the Dead scroll which was 10 meters or 45 feet long:

https://interpreterfoundation.org/inter ... ent-532001

Both Skousen and Givens seem to take the view that the Book of Abraham was given by revelation.

Smith and Cook have debated the issue:

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/article ... ll-of-hor/
A starting issue for me would be why Gee thinks 10 meters is equivalent to 45 feet.
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Re: John Gee and the length of the Book of Abraham etc

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Marcus wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:54 pm
hauslern wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:45 pm
The interpreter has a radio show with John Gee talking about the length of the original Book of Abraham. Argues from historical sources that we do not have all the papyri Smith had in his possession. Gee talked about a recent discovery of a Book of the Dead scroll which was 10 meters or 45 feet long:

https://interpreterfoundation.org/inter ... ent-532001

Both Skousen and Givens seem to take the view that the Book of Abraham was given by revelation.

Smith and Cook have debated the issue:

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/article ... ll-of-hor/
A starting issue for me would be why Gee thinks 10 meters is equivalent to 45 feet.
He can't even claim that he meant bananas instead of feet:
http://bananaforscale.information/#!/convert/l ... rs/bananas
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