Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

[Bond]

Demanding a 24 hour notice prior to having to come into the office did it for me. She would have been canned in my office for that behavior and the secret recording should be "cause" for dismissal in pretty much any organization. Anyway, if his employment agreements don't have it, he should insert an "at-will" clause and that will make things a lot easier when it comes to firing someone like Jenn Kamp, miss tear machine. What a toxic person. I can't stand people who use tears to manipulate.

She'd have been sh!t canned at any real business when she started writing incorrect pay checks to herself. Dehlin keeps his business going despite himself because he hires terrible business people. Find some ice cold bureaucrat with experience in human resources with management or accounting experience to make the trains run on time. If they have 80k to pay Jenn Kamp to study life coaching on company time they surely have 80k they can give to some reptilian Mr. Smith to make sure the pay checks match the per hour x number of hours. Everyone at Mormon Stories seems emotionally exhausted after hearing terrible crap all week that no one is checking to see if correct amount of money's in the till at the end of the week.

[Moksha]

If they have 80k to pay Jenn Kamp to study life coaching on company time...

Jenn apparently knew how to appeal to Dehlin's marshmallowy management style, at least until he could stand it no longer. I hope the lawsuit puts the fear of karmic retribution in her, for calling people on the donors' list and bad-mouthing the Open Stories Foundation after they gave her the best job she ever had. Also, that attempt to backstab Maven was beyond the pale.

It sounds like history being stuck in an inverse loop of borderline behavior. He should check to see if there is a flawed seer stone buried under the Open Stories Foundation doorstep.

[Kishkumen]

Demanding a 24 hour notice prior to having to come into the office did it for me. She would have been canned in my office for that behavior and the secret recording should be "cause" for dismissal in pretty much any organization. Anyway, if his employment agreements don't have it, he should insert an "at-will" clause and that will make things a lot easier when it comes to firing someone like Jenn Kamp, miss tear machine. What a toxic person. I can't stand people who use tears to manipulate.

Yeah, that was a hoot. There are a number of things my colleagues kindly afford me the ability to do, such as attend some meetings on Zoom, which they could stop allowing. I would be upset if that happened, but you would not see me berating them to their faces if it did. The normal expectation in the working world is that you might be asked to be present at the workplace during business hours.

I also have to say that work is work. Anyone who treats their employment at someone else’s organization as something they should be able to perform on their own terms to fulfill some deep psychological need ought to be avoided like the plague. Employment is first and foremost about earning money to do the thing you are paid to do. This is even the case in academia. Try telling a university that you should be able to set your own tenure or promotion requirements.

[dastardly stem]

Yes. That scenario she and he laid out, from what I gathered, wherein she started working for him and early on she asked if she can start her own business, essentially, using company time and assets was funny. He should have said "no...of course not. I support your idea but you must do it on your own time". But apparently John was like "Yeah...That sounds great. Do it." Then apparently in his lawsuit he wants to pursue her for basically stealing company time and money? That is perhaps the saddest part of John's lawsuit to me. What reasonable person looks at this, even with the shallowest of glances, and thinks..."yeah...John's lawsuit makes a ton of sense."

A judge would look at this and realize quite quickly that John is doing nothing more than seeking revenge on an unhinged worker who also had the stupid idea to lay down a lawsuit on him. I do believe my youngest two children would have acted better than Jenn Kamp and Dehlin in this whole episode. But I'm biased. They are lovely kids. I'd have put Dehlin and Jenn Kamp in timeout long ago to think about what they are saying to each other.

[Dr Exiled]

Demanding a 24 hour notice prior to having to come into the office did it for me. She would have been canned in my office for that behavior and the secret recording should be "cause" for dismissal in pretty much any organization. Anyway, if his employment agreements don't have it, he should insert an "at-will" clause and that will make things a lot easier when it comes to firing someone like Jenn Kamp, miss tear machine. What a toxic person. I can't stand people who use tears to manipulate.

Yeah, that was a hoot. There are a number of things my colleagues kindly afford me the ability to do, such as attend some meetings on Zoom, which they could stop allowing. I would be upset if that happened, but you would not see me berating them to their faces if it did. The normal expectation in the working world is that you might be asked to be present at the workplace during business hours.

I also have to say that work is work. Anyone who treats their employment at someone else’s organization as something they should be able to perform on their own terms to fulfill some deep psychological need ought to be avoided like the plague. Employment is first and foremost about earning money to do the thing you are paid to do. This is even the case in academia. Try telling a university that you should be able to set your own tenure or promotion requirements.

John Dehlin needs someone to be the heavy if he can't or at least be heavier that what is going on now. Miss cries a lot seems to have sensed that she could make demands that were unreasonable in pretty much any workplace and got away with some of them. It looks like she was attempting to be Rosebud II in her attempts to gain more and more control, using tears as her weapon of choice. (I don't know if "Miss cries a lot" or "The tear machine" is a better name)

[Dr Exiled]

Yes. That scenario she and he laid out, from what I gathered, wherein she started working for him and early on she asked if she can start her own business, essentially, using company time and assets was funny. He should have said "no...of course not. I support your idea but you must do it on your own time". But apparently John was like "Yeah...That sounds great. Do it." Then apparently in his lawsuit he wants to pursue her for basically stealing company time and money? That is perhaps the saddest part of John's lawsuit to me. What reasonable person looks at this, even with the shallowest of glances, and thinks..."yeah...John's lawsuit makes a ton of sense."

A judge would look at this and realize quite quickly that John is doing nothing more than seeking revenge on an unhinged worker who also had the stupid idea to lay down a lawsuit on him. I do believe my youngest two children would have acted better than Jenn Kamp and Dehlin in this whole episode. But I'm biased. They are lovely kids. I'd have put Dehlin and Jenn Kamp in timeout long ago to think about what they are saying to each other.

You have to realize that despite how the claims will play out, Dehlin needed to strike back once the tear machine or miss cries a lot (you decide which is the name you prefer) filed her frivolous lawsuit. The board meeting showed that she was someone that warranted termination. Additionally, contacting donors and making defamatory statements to them and making defamatory statements on social media warrants the defamation counterclaim. He also needs to protect his trademark because if you don't protect it by taking action, the law will presume that you acknowledge that there isn't anything to protect.

[dastardly stem]

Yeah, that was a hoot. There are a number of things my colleagues kindly afford me the ability to do, such as attend some meetings on Zoom, which they could stop allowing. I would be upset if that happened, but you would not see me berating them to their faces if it did. The normal expectation in the working world is that you might be asked to be present at the workplace during business hours.

I also have to say that work is work. Anyone who treats their employment at someone else’s organization as something they should be able to perform on their own terms to fulfill some deep psychological need ought to be avoided like the plague. Employment is first and foremost about earning money to do the thing you are paid to do. This is even the case in academia. Try telling a university that you should be able to set your own tenure or promotion requirements.

John Dehlin needs someone to be the heavy if he can't or at least be heavier that what is going on now. Miss cries a lot seems to have sensed that she could make demands that were unreasonable in pretty much any workplace and got away with some of them. It looks like she was attempting to be Rosebud II in her attempts to gain more and more control, using tears as her weapon of choice. (I don't know if "Miss cries a lot" or "The tear machine" is a better name)

Yeah...she looks messy in this whole thing for sure. But, I have no idea how this is supposed to help John's reputation. he comes off looking, basically, as foolish as she and perhaps even more vengeful. that he's counter suing and acting as if he has to recover his reputation from any perceived bruises he received, is laughable to me. It only makes him look worse. He names Kamp in the lawsuit but leaves it open to add more women? That suggests he knows other women, perhaps who have worked for him, have gripes about him. Granted I barely have had a slim string of respect for the man previously, but this only works to cut that string.

[pistolero]

I get what everyone is saying about JD and Jenn Kamp. Whether JD is a douche or not, and he most definitely is (aren't we all?), that isn't really the issue at hand.

Jenn Kamp published a video in January with "verifiably false and defamatory statements".

JD's case is to seek injunctive relief and damages.

HIs poor, bad, ill-conceived, weak, ... (whatever the description) management practices aren't the issue which will decide his counter claim.

I don't think he's defending his behaviour specifically. He is claiming that she's damaged his reputation (what's left of it) by saying things that are verifiably untrue. He has evidence, and a lot of it, apparently.

I watched her video, RFMs podcast, then the board meeting, then read her claim and then her video again. It's a hard watch. It's hard not to think that John will win on some aspect here. I wonder whether Jenn Kamp could win on some part of her claim too, but she hasn't released any hard evidence (maybe she is waiting for someone to redact all the documents for her) and looks disingenuous and maybe even plain dishonest. Of course she might have a metaphorical "fluid"-stained dress that she hasn't taken to the launderette yet. Who knows?

I'd be interested to know how RFM came to release the board meeting and whether board members were unhappy with this.

I suspect it's for the best. I think it would be ideal if they could just settle this ASAP, because it will end in tears. JD/Open Stories Foundation have/had nearly $1M in the coffers, so they'll be okay, Jenn Kamp on the other hand has already spent $20k without even filing and is now proceeding with the claim without legal assistance. It feels like she is spiralling.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

If I were a super donor of sorts, I’d probably want to have a sit down with him, and figure out why he (via the Open Stories Foundation board) has such bad management practices. He hired at least 3-4 people now who were detrimental to the organization’s mission. Jenn Kamp was wildly overpaid for essentially clerical work, given an outrageous pay raise that wasn’t commensurate with her productivity and competence, and has damaged Open Stories Foundation’s reputation. This has now become a John Dehlin problem, in my view. Not good, and not good for the future of his business.

- Doc

[dastardly stem]

Yes. That scenario she and he laid out, from what I gathered, wherein she started working for him and early on she asked if she can start her own business, essentially, using company time and assets was funny. He should have said "no...of course not. I support your idea but you must do it on your own time". But apparently John was like "Yeah...That sounds great. Do it." Then apparently in his lawsuit he wants to pursue her for basically stealing company time and money? That is perhaps the saddest part of John's lawsuit to me. What reasonable person looks at this, even with the shallowest of glances, and thinks..."yeah...John's lawsuit makes a ton of sense."

A judge would look at this and realize quite quickly that John is doing nothing more than seeking revenge on an unhinged worker who also had the stupid idea to lay down a lawsuit on him. I do believe my youngest two children would have acted better than Jenn Kamp and Dehlin in this whole episode. But I'm biased. They are lovely kids. I'd have put Dehlin and Jenn Kamp in timeout long ago to think about what they are saying to each other.

You have to realize that despite how the claims will play out, Dehlin needed to strike back once the tear machine or miss cries a lot (you decide which is the name you prefer) filed her frivolous lawsuit. The board meeting showed that she was someone that warranted termination. Additionally, contacting donors and making defamatory statements to them and making defamatory statements on social media warrants the defamation counterclaim. He also needs to protect his trademark because if you don't protect it by taking action, the law will presume that you acknowledge that there isn't anything to protect.

I question the legality of firing someone for doing what the employer said they could do. "Wanna use company time and assets to start your own business? Great. Do it. Wanna get a raise after you've done no work? Sure. Why not? Wanna continue to get paid after being caught stealing? of course. We love that around here." To me he set it up so she didn't have to do her work and didn't have to be accountable. Normally those are fire-able offenses. But if the employer encourages these things? I don't see how he has a leg to stand on for that. As to whether she defamed him publicly and whether he deserves compensation for that? I don't think I care. It seems stupid for him to make an issue of it since no one's listening to her. And, I suppose I'd stand by it, this only makes him look petty, vengeful and dopey.

Ah well...admittedly I've spent about 12-15 minutes reading and catching up on the recordings that are out. I'm probably missing a few things. But a shallow observation doesn't bode well for him. Granted...it won't matter to many of his followers. And we all have our own takes.