Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

[Lowrance]

Because he’s a roaring asshole, mostly.

You’re welcome.

This is why you're becoming the master.

I appreciate you confirming my thoughts regarding RFM. RFM has worked very hard throughout this thread, which is dominated by male participants, to smear Jenn's reputation. He has stated that he is thankful that he has never been in a room with her alone, and not one man on the board entertained the idea of calling him out for trying to make her appear as though she is a crazy person who is too dangerous to be around. Now he's calling one of the other board members an asshole, and you think he's getting better at his craft? Oh my gosh!!! Because of this, you're proving that my point about RFM becoming a prophet to the ex-Mormon community is correct. RFM can do or say whatever he wants, and ex-Mormons consider his words to be the gospel. How is it possible for you to be blind to the fact that the game he's playing is identical to what the brethern play? He's selling his opinion as fact, and ex-Mormons love him for it!

[Lowrance]

He has indicated that he is interested in winding down his practice and looking for full-time work by criticizing the Mormon church. And he plans to accomplish this by soliciting monetary contributions from members of online communities such as this one. This means that he is putting himself in a position where he will have to continually criticize the church and its members in order for him to maintain the satisfaction of the people who tithe to him. He is a con artist because he pretends to sell the truth to people who are having a hard time separating themselves from their religious affiliations. Con artists such as RFM, in my opinion, are instructing former Mormons on how to damage their relationships with family members who continue to practice the faith.

Sounds like you’ve followed him enough to give his business a boost whether you donated funds or not. I like rfm’s show. I think he’s honest and works hard at giving listeners a good product. I don’t know what you mean by “pretends to sell the truth”. Sounds like quite an accusation. Do you have any information to meet the burden you’ve put on yourself with the accusation?

If they are paid enough, men in the legal profession are willing to swear that black is white. And this is exactly what RFM has been doing his entire career as a lawyer. And at this point, he is considering leaving the legal profession in order to continue selling his opinions and facts, and he expects the ex-Mormon community to compensate him for his insights.

Do you have any idea how precarious his situation is now that he has chosen to preach against the Mormon faith? He has no choice but to preach against every aspect of Mormonism or risk losing a significant number of the people who pay his tithe. The fact that he preaches what the ex Mormons want to hear makes his sermons a source of solace for their souls. He is making them feel better about the choice they made when they left the church by giving them his perspective on it. He is aware of what it is that former Mormons want, and he is also aware that if he does not provide them with what they desire, his followers will quickly turn against him. Therefore, he is forced to preach anti-Mormonism because he is aware of the high level of emotional investment his followers have.

Do you not hold a firm belief in the right to freely practice one's religion?

[Lowrance]

He has indicated that he is interested in winding down his practice and looking for full-time work by criticizing the Mormon church. And he plans to accomplish this by soliciting monetary contributions from members of online communities such as this one. This means that he is putting himself in a position where he will have to continually criticize the church and its members in order for him to maintain the satisfaction of the people who tithe to him. He is a con artist because he pretends to sell the truth to people who are having a hard time separating themselves from their religious affiliations. Con artists such as RFM, in my opinion, are instructing former Mormons on how to damage their relationships with family members who continue to practice the faith.

I can kind of see this argument with John Dehlin but I struggle to see how anyone who has watched or listened to RFM over the years can interpret him that way.

I get the impression that it’s the other way around. More and more Mormons are becoming familiar with the facts about their religion which makes it much easier for them to get along with non Mormons. It’s very difficult if Mormons are still under the mistaken belief that their church never lies or was wrong. Once that common fact is established it makes it much easier to talk about religion without hurt feelings.

The alternative is to allow Mormons to continue living unchallenged in a bubble which will only prolong the pain and hurt relationships. I applaud RFM and bill laying out the facts in a plain a way as possible every week. I think it’s having a very positive effect.

Facts about religion? What on earth does that even suggest? When you make a statement like that, do you do so in all seriousness? Religion is not about knowing the truth! In point of fact, no religion is concerned with facts. RFM is aware that this is the situation, which only serves to highlight how regrettable it is that he preaches against Mormonism.

[Lowrance]

Is there anyone here who is willing to tell us which religion is based entirely on fact?

[Kishkumen]

I appreciate you confirming my thoughts regarding RFM. RFM has worked very hard throughout this thread, which is dominated by male participants, to smear Jenn's reputation. He has stated that he is thankful that he has never been in a room with her alone, and not one man on the board entertained the idea of calling him out for trying to make her appear as though she is a crazy person who is too dangerous to be around.

Nice try. I think it is clear that he has astutely noted that people who make up horror stories about what happened when they were alone with one person should be suspected of possibly repeating that performance with others. If he believes that Jenn Kamp made up a horror story about her lone interactions with JD, then he would be foolish to say anything other than, "I wouldn't want to be alone with her in a room."

Neither would I. I don't believe her story about JD, so I would not want to be alone in a room with her. Not because she is a crazy person, but because she quite possibly will repeat her false accusations against JD with someone else.

Let's say that this is entirely wrong, and that she is perfectly on the up and up and totally safe. I wouldn't take a chance until I knew that were true. I wouldn't blindly trust her in advance of assurances that she was, in fact, truthful in her accusations against JD.

[Dr Exiled]

This is why you're becoming the master.

I appreciate you confirming my thoughts regarding RFM. RFM has worked very hard throughout this thread, which is dominated by male participants, to smear Jenn's reputation. He has stated that he is thankful that he has never been in a room with her alone, and not one man on the board entertained the idea of calling him out for trying to make her appear as though she is a crazy person who is too dangerous to be around. Now he's calling one of the other board members an asshole, and you think he's getting better at his craft? Oh my gosh!!! Because of this, you're proving that my point about RFM becoming a prophet to the ex-Mormon community is correct. RFM can do or say whatever he wants, and ex-Mormons consider his words to be the gospel. How is it possible for you to be blind to the fact that the game he's playing is identical to what the brethern play? He's selling his opinion as fact, and ex-Mormons love him for it!

You're overreacting.

[dastardly stem]

If they are paid enough, men in the legal profession are willing to swear that black is white. And this is exactly what RFM has been doing his entire career as a lawyer. And at this point, he is considering leaving the legal profession in order to continue selling his opinions and facts, and he expects the ex-Mormon community to compensate him for his insights.

Do you have any idea how precarious his situation is now that he has chosen to preach against the Mormon faith? He has no choice but to preach against every aspect of Mormonism or risk losing a significant number of the people who pay his tithe. The fact that he preaches what the ex Mormons want to hear makes his sermons a source of solace for their souls. He is making them feel better about the choice they made when they left the church by giving them his perspective on it. He is aware of what it is that former Mormons want, and he is also aware that if he does not provide them with what they desire, his followers will quickly turn against him. Therefore, he is forced to preach anti-Mormonism because he is aware of the high level of emotional investment his followers have.

Do you not hold a firm belief in the right to freely practice one's religion?

Your previous accusations and my request for you to support them has nothing to do with his profession, nor anything to do with your desire to pigeonhole him into a space where he likely doesn't fit. I would request you try again. If you have any evidence that he "pretends to sell the truth to people" I would like to see it. if you have nothing, just say so. At least then I know how seriously I can take your posts.

odd you complain about ex-Mormons and their focus on Mormonism but then claim you've followed RFM through the duration of his career.

[Lonny Flash]

Exactly. Past tense. The fact that consig is still schlobbing John's knob sets him in a class all by himself.

So you’re admitting all your talk about taking so long to redact rosebud’s text messages was bull$hit.

And now you’re pretending to reference some undisclosed evidence in yet another attempt to besmirch John Dehlin’s character.

At least you’re consistent.

Consig, I known thing or two about movies. Right? You should have that Dehlin guy on your show and do a full smack off of that little apatterson Nazi. The ladies will want it.

I can help you.

[dastardly stem]

Is there anyone here who is willing to tell us which religion is based entirely on fact?

None are. By definition religion is based on everything other than fact. Its based on hunches and hopes, desires and dreams...its based on hurt and anger, fear, and self-loathing. That people have dreams and hunches, fears and anger is fact. But, i take it you mean when you say "based entirely on fact" the stories they tell and rely on as true.

[drumdude]

I’m getting the impression lowrance has some unresolved past trauma with a Mormon lawyer. Potentially one of RFM’s many ex wives?